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Cancelled 1 subscription in protest over cyber-bullying

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-03-25 20:18:52 UTC
I would protest things in this game with sub cancelling if it didn't have to affect my skill queue :'(

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#42 - 2014-03-25 20:20:04 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:

C'mon people, scamming is allowed, has always been allowed.



It's not the scamming it's the Teamspeak recording.

I agree that the victim was not the sharpest knife out there but it's same like abusing autistic person and upload it on youtube for giggles.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-25 20:21:36 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Normally I ignore these threads (The I Quit Protest Threads) because they are normally started by some alts alt in an npc corporation nobody's heard of (this person is not one of those though.. Its weird that people would protest in these ways, as there has to be other avenues of community policing that could happen.

Not to knock down the protest but a more concerted effort is needed (not a gut reaction then a post on a forum without gathering like minded people with you). If you think this is stirring up support, you'll be attacked by the forum trolls trying to bury this long before you get your supporters.

A better avenue (Louder forum) is needed.


Like what? CSM is just as sociopatic as the griefers and bullies, they dont care. They even encourage this sort of thing. CCP is driven by profit only, they dont care either.

At the end of the day all we regular plays have is our subscriptions.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#44 - 2014-03-25 20:22:35 UTC
I too am questioning whether I want to be here. As the perps say, its a choice. Reminds me of choosing to hang out at a bad bar or neighborhood. It becomes its own poverty and it holds people, they can't leave even if they want to. Perhaps an account or two is at least a step in the right direction. My previous decisions to do the same were right after all. I'm ashamed to invite anybody I know into this game. That should tell me something about the game, the community and myself. Being able to feel this is bad lets me know I'm not as bad as people would lead me to believe. Good action followed by good decisions based on clear thinking can form a mound high enough to stand on to see over the pile of Sheet we're living in. Its like all of us are hanging around in a sewage pit of each others waste.
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
#45 - 2014-03-25 20:22:38 UTC
Hahahahahahahaha How The **** Is Cyber Bullying Real Hahahaha ***** Just Walk Away From The Screen Like ***** Close Your Eyes Haha
Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-03-25 20:22:57 UTC
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-03-25 20:24:35 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



they are only as powerful as you allow them to be.

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Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-03-25 20:24:46 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:

C'mon people, scamming is allowed, has always been allowed.



It's not the scamming it's the Teamspeak recording.

I agree that the victim was not the sharpest knife out there but it's same like abusing autistic person and upload it on youtube for giggles.

But this guy is not autistic (god, if he IS an air traffic controller, I freaking hope not) and it was his own choice to act out, he also Knew he was being recorded, I believe it was like the first thing they said to him as he entered their teamspeak.
Not to mention, I assume it is their own teamspeak server, I know its not the same, but if you entered my house and I told you at the door Im recording everything thats being said in this house, and you start yelling and acting up over ridicilous stuff, that would also be subject to a youtube upload.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#49 - 2014-03-25 20:25:21 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Gotta say, Erotica 1 is a genius, not only does he manage to scam people out of their wallets on a regular basis, but he also gets the entire forums worked up, when are we at the point of shooting the statue unless Erotica 1 stops his EVUL buissness?
C'mon people, scamming is allowed, has always been allowed.

But hey, lets pretend this universe where CCP caves in to some people spilling tears about other people being dumb (possibly themselves having been scammed, hm?) and bans scamming.
And it would have to be banning scamming, or are we gonna have like.. Scamming limits? You can scam 3 people for a total of 3 billion per month, anymore and youre outa here!
So, lets pretend they ban da scam, then Erotica 1 is awesome, a single dude changed a policy thats been in place since day 1, that would be an impressive feat!


It's not about scamming it's about the trolling the cyber bullying the joy of doing it and seeing people get traumatised by it. What if one person commits suicide like some have done over it, don't you think it's funny then you fooking piece of sh1t
Anyone who endorses this behaviour are equally low life scum
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-03-25 20:27:02 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



Dealing with one is RL is rather easy. Just mad dog them. A scammer will always b***h out.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-03-25 20:28:59 UTC
I think technically the recording falls into out-of-game griefing and is grounds for banning.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2014-03-25 20:29:44 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:

C'mon people, scamming is allowed, has always been allowed.



It's not the scamming it's the Teamspeak recording.

I agree that the victim was not the sharpest knife out there but it's same like abusing autistic person and upload it on youtube for giggles.


One of our members was recorded by I think nulli singing my little pony (badly). They attempted to get us to kick him for being a spaz but we just laughed. I guess we should ban them too eh?
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#53 - 2014-03-25 20:30:44 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



they are only as powerful as you allow them to be.


This is patently not true.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2014-03-25 20:30:54 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.

Weeell… that's hardly news. Just look at the kinds of real-life threats they've levelled against Erotica 1 so far.

And anyway, this measure is fairly wrong-headed. Either it's in-game, in which case it's allowed, or it's out-of-game, in which case it's not within CCP's purview. Straight
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-03-25 20:32:48 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



they are only as powerful as you allow them to be.


This is patently not true.


Only jellyfish believe that. As in EVE, so is in life...HTFU.

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Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-03-25 20:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyth Yinleq
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



Dealing with one is RL is rather easy. Just mad dog them. A scammer will always b***h out.


Obviously, you never met a real sociopath IRL. You don't see them coming, they are smart and they have no remorse nor hesitation. Normal people are burdened with their conscience and respect the social rules: not the proper fitting to deal with sociopaths.
Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-03-25 20:37:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.

Weeell… that's hardly news. Just look at the kinds of real-life threats they've levelled against Erotica 1 so far.

And anyway, this measure is fairly wrong-headed. Either it's in-game, in which case it's allowed, or it's out-of-game, in which case it's not within CCP's purview. Straight


You do realize I am talking about Erotica 1 when mentionning sociopaths ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2014-03-25 20:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
You do realize I am talking about Erotica 1 when mentionning sociopaths ?

And you do realise that what this episode has shown is that the “good guys” are often far worse than the bad ones?

Yes, I know what you're talking about. I'm simply pointing out that what you're saying holds true for both camps and that, if anything, the ones who are raging over him are currently displaying far worse behaviour than he did. The problem with this is that, at the end of the day, chances are that their mishandling the situation will leave them tossed out on their ears and Erotica still in the game with a only slap on the wrist to show for it. All because he ends up looking almost reasonable in comparison.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-03-25 20:42:11 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
What is amazing is how manipulative sociopaths can be and how they manage to gather numerous followers.

It is almost admirable... until you have to deal with one IRL like I did a few years ago, and you realize how dangerous they can be.



Dealing with one is RL is rather easy. Just mad dog them. A scammer will always b***h out.


Obviously, you never met a real sociopath IRL. You don't see them coming, they are smart and they have no remorse nor hesitation. Normal people are burdened with their conscience and respect the social rules: not the proper fitting to deal with sociopaths.


I wish I've met less. Unfortunately, when you try to run an honest hustle IRL, a good chunk of your time is wasted interacting with these types. They'd sell out their family and never bat an eye, and it's never enough.......scum.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#60 - 2014-03-25 20:45:41 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Normally I ignore these threads (The I Quit Protest Threads) because they are normally started by some alts alt in an npc corporation nobody's heard of (this person is not one of those though.. Its weird that people would protest in these ways, as there has to be other avenues of community policing that could happen.

Not to knock down the protest but a more concerted effort is needed (not a gut reaction then a post on a forum without gathering like minded people with you). If you think this is stirring up support, you'll be attacked by the forum trolls trying to bury this long before you get your supporters.

A better avenue (Louder forum) is needed.


Like what? CSM is just as sociopatic as the griefers and bullies, they dont care. They even encourage this sort of thing. CCP is driven by profit only, they dont care either.

At the end of the day all we regular plays have is our subscriptions.


Well that's the thing. This is how you protest the issue. I would not write off CCP position as of yet, (they have not made one) because the issue has gone beyond a scam.

Jester decided to write this article. Now he himself has been an advocate for Eve to such a degree that he ran for CSM and was voted for by the Eve people. He has no real stance, no meta game as I can see it. He saw an issue, brought it up to CCP prior to writing this. We don't know what CCP decided or talked about, but assuming (and this is a big assumption), that the other CSM members were also briefed on this...

He felt so strong of this being a bad thing, that even if it hurt CCP and himself, he could not just sit there and do nothing...

That was his protest, but he's leaving the decision up to us. He knows there is no real community policing, as the only way to police people that do this in eve would be for CCP do do something or for the players to leave Eve...

You gotta do what you gotta do.

Yaay!!!!