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Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#1 - 2014-03-24 22:45:51 UTC
Social "Skill at social interaction. 5% bonus per level to NPC agent, corporation and faction standing increase."

So, I am wondering how the Social skill is supposed to work on negative standing hits.

I see 3 possibilities:

1: Not doing anything.

2: Increase the magnitude of each hit (1 becomes 1.25, -1 becomes -1.25).

3: Make each hit 25% better for you (1 becomes 1.25, -1 becomes -0.75).

So I want to test which one it is, but how does one test this?

Derived standings is what comes to mind for me, but since the math behind that is unknown, and the derived hit changes every time you do a mission it becomes impossible to use as tool for this.

So, looking for an idea how to test, or someone who has already done this and want to share.
Nizar Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-25 02:33:35 UTC
I find it very likely that your option nr. 1 applies, since the skill description talks about standing 'increase' and you are talking about standing 'decrease'.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-03-25 07:10:25 UTC
Nizar Ambraelle wrote:
I find it very likely that your option nr. 1 applies, since the skill description talks about standing 'increase' and you are talking about standing 'decrease'.

Decreasing would be the Anti-Social Skill Blink
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#4 - 2014-03-25 12:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Velenia Ankletickler
Nizar Ambraelle wrote:
I find it very likely that your option nr. 1 applies, since the skill description talks about standing 'increase' and you are talking about standing 'decrease'.


Good argument for the description actually saying something about it.

Also have arguments for both 2 and 3 though.

2 applies because this is how it works if just implemented without thinking about how it should work for negatives.

3 applies because you are getting better at social interaction and can smoothen the waters.

But I still want to know :).

*EDIT* Spelling.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#5 - 2014-03-25 14:16:51 UTC
For negative standings u got diplomacy skill.
There are also number of other skills for pirates\agents etc...
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#6 - 2014-03-25 19:34:24 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Nizar Ambraelle wrote:
I find it very likely that your option nr. 1 applies, since the skill description talks about standing 'increase' and you are talking about standing 'decrease'.

Decreasing would be the Anti-Social Skill Blink


And then there was much needed laughter. Very nice.
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#7 - 2014-03-25 20:27:28 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
For negative standings u got diplomacy skill.
There are also number of other skills for pirates\agents etc...


Diplomacy and Social do completely different things.

Diplomacy belongs with Connections.
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#8 - 2014-04-03 23:53:56 UTC
It would seem it is option 2, negative hits are increased as well and you don't really get anything from the skill as a mission runner.

If you just want to quickly raise 1 faction and don't care about ruining everything else, it will allow you to do so faster, but it doesn't make it easier to avoid ruining standings.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2014-04-04 12:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Velenia Ankletickler wrote:
It would seem it is option 2, negative hits are increased as well and you don't really get anything from the skill as a mission runner.

If you just want to quickly raise 1 faction and don't care about ruining everything else, it will allow you to do so faster, but it doesn't make it easier to avoid ruining standings.

Everything is relative.

With few exceptions (Blood-Stained Stars, destroying NPC faction ships / structures, etc.), you can't lose standing without gaining standing.

Example: Caldari Storyline - Gain 1% with Caldari, lose 0.5% with Gallente.

I have Social 4, Connections 4, and Diplomacy 4 (will train all to 5 someday - have on my alt):
Caldari = +8.60, Amarr = +7.22, Minmatar = +0.10, Gallente = -0.56
I decline all player faction kill missions, even if they are storylines. I bounce between Caldari, Amarr, and Sisters of EVE missions.

You can avoid all player faction standing too, by also declining all storyline missions. My alt has 9.67 standing with Caldari Navy, and no Caldari / Amarr / Gallente / Minmatar standing at all.
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#10 - 2014-04-04 15:23:11 UTC
As you describe, you need to bounce exactly the same between different factions to balance your standings with Social V as you do if you had no Social skill at all, making the Social skill completely worthless to have in this case.

What it does is help your non-faction standing alt to obtain the high Caldari Navy standing faster.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2014-04-04 17:02:53 UTC
Velenia Ankletickler wrote:
What it does is help your non-faction standing alt to obtain the high Caldari Navy standing faster.

After 8.0 it doesn't matter.
Velenia Ankletickler
Silverflames
#12 - 2014-04-05 09:50:44 UTC
Uh, how so?