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EVE Online Fleet vs Star Trek Fleet

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Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#21 - 2014-03-25 15:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Assasin
As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.

Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#22 - 2014-03-25 15:24:22 UTC
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#23 - 2014-03-25 15:29:58 UTC
EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads..
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#24 - 2014-03-25 15:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ITTigerClawIK
and if it came down to EVE-Online vs Star Trek Online it would defo be EVE cause EVE ships can fire further than 10km witch is the star trek online weapon range cap for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON AND ABILITY lol :-P


oh also forgot.... EVE ships just need to tank EM and thermal damage and use Amarr Laser boats to melt through the sheilds and fragile hull of a star trek ship no problem :-P
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-03-25 15:45:55 UTC
I'll chime in as a Star Trek Fan. I'll also try to level the playing field while using equivalencies between the two universes. I'm not going to cover every aspect, but just the basics to help everyone envision how a battle may play out. I'm also sticking with Canon based information, and will limit this post to their defensive and offensive system, as we already discussed their mobility.

Star Terk ships are mainly shield fit, with the exception of Defiant Class, which can be argued is an armor tank due to it's Ablative Armor

Star Trek Ships have better shield system that, among many abilities, are split between six zones (forward, aft, starboard, port, dorsal & ventral). These zones absorb damage independently. As one zone becomes depleted, the shields can be modulated (rotated) and distributed evenly throughout system.

Let's not even begin to discuss the absurdly powerful and flexible use of them being able to reverse and adjust their ship's Shield Polarity .The shielding system furthermore extends throughout the hull structure in the form of a Structural Integrity Field

So long as a Star Trek vessel maintains its shield, it is immensely powerful and able to counter any, if not all of Eve's ewar capabilities.

Let's move on to their weapon systems. To keep this short, I'll stick to the Federation.

First, the Phaser. The Phaser is the primary racial weapon for the Federation. The Starship mounted Phaser banks file a steady stream of energy, which can be modulated for either pinpoint penetration or as beams that fire bolts of explosive energy. The Phaser banks can also be designed to fire bolts of energy in very rapid succession, called the Phaser Cannon. I was not able to find Canon related information pertaining to engagement ranges/tracking abilities. However, going by a similar discussion raised on another site, based upon engagements, within the shows, we can assume Engagement ranges between 100-150KM.

Next, lets move on to the missle based systems. Star Trek uses the Torpedo as their secondary weapon system. The varied types of Torpedoes used is dependent upon the nature of the engagement. All ships are equipped with the basic Photon Torpedo. Larger line ships and Defiant class ship may be equipped with the more advanced and harder hitting Quantum Torpedo. FInally, The granddaddy of them all is the Transphasic Torpedo. Meant to one shot Borg Cubes, Which can be argued are equivalent if side to Eve's Capital/Super Capital Class Ships.

Finally, How would an engagement play out between a Federation Fleet and an Eve Fleet? To play to their the Federal would engage at a distance, in a traditional fleet line. They would attempt to force the Eve fleet to burn in while unleashing phaser fire to cut through the Eve fleet's shields. Once they removed the shields, they would switch to Torpedo fire, both targeted and AOE to disrupt the Blop. The Eve Fleet would in-turn escalate to capitals and super capitals, forcing to Federation fleet to switch to Anti-Borg engagement tactics and weaponry. I think both fleets would be evenly matched and it would be a site to behold. I would give the edge to the Federaltion based upon technological advancement and since it appears their phasers can track shuttles in a fight. Ultimately, I think both sides would sustain massive losses and be forced to withdraw.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-03-25 15:49:09 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us.

There would be no fight. Cool


You're assuming that Starfleet comes into this star cluster via low/null sec. What if they appeared in hi sec? There wouldn't be many player gate camps between them and Science and Trade Institute systems.



Wouldn't even matter. Star Trek ship do not use Gates. They simply warp from system to system.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#27 - 2014-03-25 15:59:05 UTC
Didn't read.
hmmm which fantasy world ships are da strongest?

It will end with Warhammer 40k.

Exterminatus biatch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE For the EMPRAH!.
Mario Putzo
#28 - 2014-03-25 16:00:54 UTC
Executor Class Star Destroyers would be fun to brawl. Carrier Dreadnaughts mmmm.
Priestess Tachyons
Royal Amarr Institution
#29 - 2014-03-25 16:30:43 UTC
star trek whould loose badly, mainly because.
once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods.
well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray

some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp.
or if they dont, the bubble will.
ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons.
kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay
ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.

just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships

eve is a dark age of space
its just too evil for the punny federation.

unidenify
Deaf Armada
#30 - 2014-03-26 16:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Priestess Tachyons wrote:
star trek whould loose badly, mainly because.
once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods.
well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray

some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp.
or if they dont, the bubble will.
ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons.
kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay
ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.

just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships

eve is a dark age of space
its just too evil for the punny federation.



pretty true

if I remember correct, in TNG series, they state that it took 7 years to build Enterprise ship which is Battlecruiser size in EVE online.

and According to someone from old thread of EVE online vs Star trek vs Star war, EVE online in game is about 4 time faster than in lore. (in game, it take 3 hours and 20 min to make Drake, which in Lore it would take 13 hours and 20 min)

Given same time it take to make Enterprise (TNG), one Station with one slot with no skill in industry would pump out 8 thousand Drake.

here you have one Enterprise ship face against fleet of 8 thousand Drake
Willmahh
#31 - 2014-03-26 17:03:38 UTC
actually this is how a battle would go:

1. war is declared.
2. EvE spy disbands starfleet
3. Profit???
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-03-26 17:10:47 UTC
Easy...

Fleets warp in, dish it out, and many ships explode....

Any Eve ships destroyed then return 10mins later and have another go... and then again... and again and again...

We have clones.



Or the Borg assimilate us and our technology and take over the universe...

Whichever

No Worries

unidenify
Deaf Armada
#33 - 2014-03-26 18:11:13 UTC
forget to add

it is estimated that Federation in Star Trek have around seventh thousand, however would need time to gather all ships in prepare for war

while New Eden probably have capable to pump this much in 1 day.

source:
http://www.ditl.org/pagarticle.php?ArticleID=14&ListID=Articles
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#34 - 2014-03-26 18:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Abrazzar wrote:
EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads..


Eve has superior bumping system. Also liqid aether. I can also see the seams in the space box.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2014-03-26 18:31:58 UTC
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.

Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really.


Dont they forever have issues with tachyon things? I also know they hate antimatter weapons and they also use torps.

Also we have several thousand years more advanced tech than they do.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2014-03-26 18:34:36 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Didn't read.
hmmm which fantasy world ships are da strongest?

It will end with Warhammer 40k.

Exterminatus biatch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE For the EMPRAH!.


METAL BWAUXES!!!
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#37 - 2014-03-26 18:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Invisusira
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-03-26 18:42:05 UTC
Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.

The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.

If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.

The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2014-03-26 18:44:32 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.

The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.

If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.

The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina


Dont forget the other much more powerful gods they have.

Plot devices.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#40 - 2014-03-26 19:21:11 UTC
I would not underestimate ST tech.


They can launch torpedos that travel at warp speed, while in warp, and they are potent enough that they cannot be used at short range. Being a phaser and torp ship is also nothing to laugh at.

The shielding can be adjusted to various situations and the strength of it moved forward and back. The "orbit F1" scheme of Eve ships could seriously affect DPS.

Every ship has a tractor beam built in and can tow another ship, even in warp (per a DS9 episode).

The deflector array can serve as a graviton weapon.

The sensors on a ST ship are built in and exponentially better than in Eve tech AND a ST ships KNOWS when it's being probed.
(hint hint)

New Federation vessels have multiple warp cores. I would not want to jam one then, in that cycle that I cannot instantly shut off, have it get dumped and then blow up with heinous AOE damage (enough to cause an entire Galaxy class saucer section to crash on a planet - hello?)

They don't need to dock and are reconfigurable in the field without dependency on stations, capitals, hangars, etc.

and last but certainly not least:

THEY CAN WARP FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH BUBBLE CAMPS AND GANK PIPELINES - ALL OF THIS IS BUILT INTO EVERY SHIP


(you see if Eve ships could do that, the game would change inexorably and the nullsec blue donut will fall)










Bring back DEEEEP Space!