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Isboxer, why is it allowed?

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#481 - 2014-03-25 13:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Lucas Kell wrote:
No, the fact that it's not autmoation makes it less automation.

it indeed is.

Lucas Kell wrote:
So it's a key braodcaster, not automation. Thanks for agreeing.

key broadcasting is an automated process, or do you broadcast keys manually? No. You click and process in background takes it and replicates it somewhere, continuously, automatically.

Lucas Kell wrote:
You are irrelevant, thus your views are irrelevant.

why do you post? Your posts are equally irrelevant then, no?
I can and will voice my opinion, this is why this forum is for primarily.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

As for ISBoxer, it's not a bot, a bot plays the game with zero interaction from the user beyond starting the bot and the game, unlike ISBoxer, which I don't use btw as I only have one account, which requires regular interaction from the user to accomplish anything.

it is form of a bot. Once you start up your clients, they are controlled by isbox, you have zero interaction with them beyond starting them + isbox. The only thing you interact with is 1 single client. This is why people use it, for a fleet of alts they dont need to interact with.
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#482 - 2014-03-25 13:58:48 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
i think you guys are getting mixed up with multiboxing and botting. Isboxer is not automated, you have to manually play the game, all it is doing is allowing you to create lots of little screens of your characters on one screen effectively. THATS IT!

You still have to watch and play all those characters, they DO NOT play themselves. Also have you tried using it? for a few accounts is actually quite difficult o see whats going on?

Perhaps you should trying using it before casting dispersions about it?

So what is the problem with that?

What's the problem with being able to buy yourself an advantage guise?


Wheres the advantage?


You can't be this dense.
Icylce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2014-03-25 13:59:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Icylce wrote:


Thats just CCP interpretation of EULA.


Its their game. They say its ok, why is this not enough for you?


Because their own EULA states otherwise. The should change it or bann ISboxers usage.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#484 - 2014-03-25 14:01:22 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
you bolded the right part. isbox takes over human labour of clicking all your clients manually.
This is why people use it.


So we're now back to the part where you're claiming ISboxer is a botting program & requires zero human input. I can't wait to see you backtrack from this again.

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ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#485 - 2014-03-25 14:01:28 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
i think you guys are getting mixed up with multiboxing and botting. Isboxer is not automated, you have to manually play the game, all it is doing is allowing you to create lots of little screens of your characters on one screen effectively. THATS IT!

You still have to watch and play all those characters, they DO NOT play themselves. Also have you tried using it? for a few accounts is actually quite difficult o see whats going on?

Perhaps you should trying using it before casting dispersions about it?

So what is the problem with that?

What's the problem with being able to buy yourself an advantage guise?


Wheres the advantage?


You can't be this dense.


As you are unable to offer an explanation then i guess your point is mute and invalid.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#486 - 2014-03-25 14:02:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

So we're now back to the part where you're claiming ISboxer is a botting program & requires zero human input. I can't wait to see you backtrack from this again.

never backpedalled from anything.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#487 - 2014-03-25 14:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Belt Scout
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

So we're now back to the part where you're claiming ISboxer is a botting program & requires zero human input. I can't wait to see you backtrack from this again.

never backpedalled from anything.


Ok one more time. I can't keep doing this all day every single time you don't understand a complicated word. Id have to ISBox the Websters site just to keep up with you.

back·ped·al
intransitive verb \ˈbak-ˌpe-dəl\

: to move backward with quick steps
Full Definition of BACKPEDAL
: to retreat or move backward
Examples of BACKPEDAL

The outfielder backpedaled a few steps to catch the fly ball.

Same as before.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#488 - 2014-03-25 14:11:46 UTC
I'll just report your posting for ranting and trolling, how's about that?
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#489 - 2014-03-25 14:16:43 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
I'll just report your posting for ranting and trolling, how's about that?


Im on your side man. You resorted to cursing a few posts back. Is that not reportable as well?

Lets just call it a tie, and this thread can get back on course.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#490 - 2014-03-25 14:20:09 UTC
and 10 pages later, a bunch of randoms that think they're lawyers continues to argue that they know better than CCP Devs & GMs how to interpret CCP's own EULA. By all means argue that it should be banned because of gameplay purity and whatever, but what always kills me is simple ignorance of the basic facts. Also GRR ALTs.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#491 - 2014-03-25 14:25:55 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
key broadcasting is an automated process, or do you broadcast keys manually? No. You click and process in background takes it and replicates it somewhere, continuously, automatically.
Uhh no. It's not continuous for starters, nor is it automatic. You have to tell it to broadcast, then perform the task and it mirrors the input. On a technical level, when you enter text into a textbox, the same thing is happening in the background as it replicates your key presses to several listeners.

What are you, fresh out of uni with your head full of all these new words? If you spoke to anyone in the industry about automation and referred to a key broadcaster as automation you would be swiftly removed.

Robert Caldera wrote:
why do you post? Your posts are equally irrelevant then, no?
I can and will voice my opinion, this is why this forum is for primarily.
And you are welcome to. I'll continue to explain why you are wrong.

Robert Caldera wrote:
it is form of a bot. Once you start up your clients, they are controlled by isbox, you have zero interaction with them beyond starting them + isbox. The only thing you interact with is 1 single client. This is why people use it, for a fleet of alts they dont need to interact with.
No, it's not even remotely a form of bot. You are mistaken. Let me ask. Have you ever even used it? I'd guess know, since you'd know it's "ISBoxer" if you had. You'd also know that ISBoxer is actually a configuration toolkit for the virtualisation software Inner Space.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#492 - 2014-03-25 14:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Lucas Kell wrote:
Uhh no. It's not continuous for starters, nor is it automatic. You have to tell it to broadcast, then perform the task and it mirrors the input. On a technical level, when you enter text into a textbox, the same thing is happening in the background as it replicates your key presses to several listeners.

windows doesnt support input broadcast it always sends input to focused window. If you want it you need 3rd party software taking over this task. It will then listen to your input and broadcast to multiple specified targets, this is an automatic process running continuously.

Lucas Kell wrote:

What are you, fresh out of uni with your head full of all these new words? If you spoke to anyone in the industry about automation and referred to a key broadcaster as automation you would be swiftly removed.

as if you'd ever 've been at uni, you'd have learned abstraction and recognizing basic patterns in various things and what automation actually means.


Lucas Kell wrote:
No, it's not even remotely a form of bot. You are mistaken. Let me ask. Have you ever even used it? I'd guess know, since you'd know it's "ISBoxer" if you had. You'd also know that ISBoxer is actually a configuration toolkit for the virtualisation software Inner Space.

tell me more about what your automation software in detail is.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#493 - 2014-03-25 14:42:57 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
windows doesnt support input broadcast it always sends input to focused window. If you want it you need 3rd party software taking over this task. It will then listen to your input and broadcast to multiple specified targets, this is an automatic process running continuously.
Key states aren't sent to only the active window. Windows message events are, but the keystates can be listened to from anywhere (that's how hotkey programs work). By default, when you push a key on a windows machine the act of pushing that key is broadcast to several parts of the OS, one of which is the dwm. That keypress is already replicated at that point, meaning that all windows software is automated if we go by your definition.

Robert Caldera wrote:
as if you'd ever 've been at uni, you'd have learned abstraction and recognizing basic patterns in various things and what automation actually means.
Yup, I'm a professional software developer they fished out of a bin. Never been to no uni me, honest. I love how you're like "quick, throw more buzzwords around!" then fail to make a point. Try again sunshine.

Robert Caldera wrote:
tell me more about what your automation software in detail is.
Believe it or not, automation software automates things. A blind rebroadcast of input is not automation, it's exactly what it sounds like, it's rebroadcasting input. If I were to move all the windows around on each client, each client would do totally different things because inner space is just dumb repeating key presses which have to be pressed manually. If you presented that to a client and claimed it was automation you would swiftly lose a client.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#494 - 2014-03-25 14:53:30 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

As for ISBoxer, it's not a bot, a bot plays the game with zero interaction from the user beyond starting the bot and the game, unlike ISBoxer, which I don't use btw as I only have one account, which requires regular interaction from the user to accomplish anything.

it is form of a bot. Once you start up your clients, they are controlled by isbox, you have zero interaction with them beyond starting them + isbox. The only thing you interact with is 1 single client. This is why people use it, for a fleet of alts they dont need to interact with.


Bolded the parts where you failed the litmus tests for basic knowledge of the subject, bots are a well-understood thing, they pre-date both Eve and isboxer, and they carry out a specific function that isboxer CANNOT replicate.

Also, one of ISboxers primary features is easy client switching and managing screen space. I even know people that ONLY use it for those features, because each account is on a different grid, attacking different targets. Because in most cases you are in fact interacting with multiple clients.

I'm particularly amused by the argument that isboxer shouldn't be allowed because it saves you time alt+tabbing. I guess we should ban big tvs and eliminate windowed mode too. They are totally pay2win Roll.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#495 - 2014-03-25 14:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Lucas Kell wrote:
Key states aren't sent to only the active window. Windows message events are, but the keystates can be listened to from anywhere (that's how hotkey programs work). By default, when you push a key on a windows machine the act of pushing that key is broadcast to several parts of the OS, one of which is the dwm. That keypress is already replicated at that point, meaning that all windows software is automated if we go by your definition.

so then you actually wouldnt need isboxer, correct? Oh noes, we need it, simply because windows doesnt broadcast anything by itself or delivers any tool for that out of the shelf.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Yup, I'm a professional software developer they fished out of a bin. Never been to no uni me, honest. I love how you're like "quick, throw more buzzwords around!" then fail to make a point. Try again sunshine.

oh yes, I forgot, on internets we all are. I made a point.

Lucas Kell wrote:
A blind rebroadcast of input is not automation

it is, on a more trivial level. You deploy some kind of machine or tool with the sole purpose to relieve you from the burden of all the work interacting with all processes you started in certain context, for controlling them. This is a basic concept of automation you'll find in a lot of appliances, its actually state of the art today and how complex systems work and being operated by a limited set of personnel.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#496 - 2014-03-25 14:56:15 UTC
I'm more curious as to why it's called " IS,BOXER".. I imagine it should be called "iskboxer" or something.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#497 - 2014-03-25 14:59:36 UTC
Batelle wrote:

Bolded the parts where you failed the litmus tests for basic knowledge of the subject, bots are a well-understood thing, they pre-date both Eve and isboxer, and they carry out a specific function that isboxer CANNOT replicate.

bot is a program for controlling a client in a certain predefined manner. Isboxer can be considered as a programmed bot who replicates all your actions. From the perspective of the game, it is a number of bots running together with your main doing same things.

Batelle wrote:
Also, one of ISboxers primary features is easy client switching and managing screen space. I even know people that ONLY use it for those features, because each account is on a different grid, attacking different targets. Because in most cases you are in fact interacting with multiple clients.

sure this is a legit use, however this is not what the context of this thread is.

Batelle wrote:
I'm particularly amused by the argument that isboxer shouldn't be allowed because it saves you time alt+tabbing. I guess we should ban big tvs and eliminate windowed mode too. They are totally pay2win Roll.

its not just alt tabbing, its organizing and managing your fleet including aligns, warps, locks and weapon deployment.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#498 - 2014-03-25 15:01:44 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I'm more curious as to why it's called " IS,BOXER".. I imagine it should be called "iskboxer" or something.


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Dusty Meg
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#499 - 2014-03-25 15:02:39 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I'm more curious as to why it's called " IS,BOXER".. I imagine it should be called "iskboxer" or something.


Because it wasnt built for EVE, it was built to help multiboxing for many different games

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#500 - 2014-03-25 15:10:31 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
so then you actually wouldnt need isboxer, correct? Oh noes, we need it, simply because windows doesnt broadcast anything by itself or delivers any tool for that out of the shelf.
If you use Linux, the window manager actually will do it for you. But that's beside the point. You stated that it was automation as you push a key once and in the background multiple events are triggered. I just pointed out that windows replicates key presses in the background to all listeners by default, therefore, if your dumb idea of automation is believed, then windows itself is an automation tool.

Robert Caldera wrote:
oh yes, I forgot, on internets we all are. I made a point.
lol, believe what you want. It really doesn't effect me if some random on the internet wants to spout off clear nonsense about how every application must be automation because it does stuff when you push buttons. You keep raising technical terms with a clear lack of understanding of their meaning, so it's clear you are trying to "blind with science" so to speak.

Robert Caldera wrote:
it is, on a more trivial level. You deploy some kind of machine or tool with the sole purpose to relieve you from the burden of all the work interacting with all processes you started in certain context, for controlling them. This is a basic concept of automation you'll find in a lot of appliances, its actually state of the art today and how complex systems work and being operated by a limited set of personnel.
No, it's really not. Automation tools may use a broadcaster as one of the components, but on it's own it is not automation.

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