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Isboxer, why is it allowed?

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#421 - 2014-03-25 11:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If I wasn't there to push buttons, ISboxer wouldn't just press them for me. You're trying to make out that this software does something that it does not.

it does what it does, it generates input for isboxed clients, copied from your input.
This is what people use it for, so they dont have to click their 20 clients all manually.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Did you do any input to 20 clients?

Yes. If I had not then nothing would happen.

no you didnt, if you would, you would not need isbox copying your clicks and redistributing them among a number of clients.
You clicked all 20? No? They do something on their own? Yes, because isbox clicked them for you, imitating your actions.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#422 - 2014-03-25 11:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If I wasn't there to push buttons, ISboxer wouldn't just press them for me. You're trying to make out that this software does something that it does not.

it does what it does, it generates input for isboxed clients, copied from your input.
This is what people use it for, so they dont have to click their 20 clients all manually.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Did you do any input to 20 clients?

Yes. If I had not then nothing would happen.

no you didnt, if you would, you would not need isbox copying your clicks and redistributing them among a number of clients.


So you concede that I am infact pushing buttons to make my accounts do things.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#423 - 2014-03-25 12:00:33 UTC
So rather than getting involved in the endless circle of discussion, I'll just ask this:
What outcome are you aiming to achieve here. Ideally, what response would you want to this thread?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#424 - 2014-03-25 12:01:00 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:

no you didnt, if you would, you would not need isbox copying your clicks and redistributing them among a number of clients.
You clicked all 20? No? They do something on their own? Yes, because isbox clicked them for you, imitating your actions.


Without his input it would have done nothing. Its not a bot.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#425 - 2014-03-25 12:02:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

So you concede that I am infact pushing buttons to make my accounts do things.

yes but how is this relevant? The point is you didnt push buttons for all other clients run by the multibox tool.

Lucas Kell wrote:
So rather than getting involved in the endless circle of discussion, I'll just ask this:
What outcome are you aiming to achieve here. Ideally, what response would you want to this thread?


no, I'm just making clear CCP is allowing automating tools for profit, no more no less.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#426 - 2014-03-25 12:05:04 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

So you concede that I am infact pushing buttons to make my accounts do things.

yes but how is this relevant? The point is you didnt push buttons for all other clients run by the multibox tool.


Except I did push buttons because if I had not then nothing would happen, that is how it is relevant. Sorry dude but ISboxer is not automation software no matter how much you kick & scream.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#427 - 2014-03-25 12:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Robert Caldera wrote:
no, I'm just making clear CCP is allowing automating tools for profit, no more no less.
its already clear.

Even ISBoxer make thst clear on thier website in the FAQ (Is ISBoxer Allowed link on thier menubar).
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#428 - 2014-03-25 12:06:08 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:


no, I'm just making clear CCP is allowing automating tools for profit, no more no less.


Ok cool.

I dont have a problem with this as it doesnt make my game any worse.

In fact, it promotes a target rich enviromentaroney

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#429 - 2014-03-25 12:08:11 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So rather than getting involved in the endless circle of discussion, I'll just ask this:
What outcome are you aiming to achieve here. Ideally, what response would you want to this thread?
no, I'm just making clear CCP is allowing automating tools for profit, no more no less.
Well you're not, you are arguing that you consider it automation while CCP does not. That's like you considering my G15 automation because I can record and repress a sequence of keys with a single button push. It doesn't make it true and it certainly doesn't matter, since CCP decide the rules.

They've clearly stated their stance. And sure, it's for income, they are a business and that's their goal, to make income. From their perspective, multiboxed characters are no more efficient than a group of players controlling 1 character each, so they don't need to differentiate between the two. Both have an equal effect on the game. They do however take a stance on botting as bots are hundreds of times more efficient, highly damaging to the economy and often used for RMT which directly impacts CCPs margins.

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Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#430 - 2014-03-25 12:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Optimo Sebiestor
If I drove car A, and used that information to tell car BCDEFG. Then i would get in trouble With the police.. Simples!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#431 - 2014-03-25 12:13:23 UTC
Optimo Sebiestor wrote:
If a drove car A, and used that information to tell car BCDEFG. Then i would get in trouble With the police.. Simples!
Not quite so simples. If the police had explicitly stated that using such a device violated no laws, then no, you wouldn't get in trouble.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#432 - 2014-03-25 12:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Except I did push buttons because if I had not then nothing would happen, that is how it is relevant. Sorry dude but ISboxer is not automation software no matter how much you kick & scream.

sure it is, you push buttons on 1 client and isbox automate the other 19. This is why you would use it, for easy automated fleet management.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Well you're not, you are arguing that you consider it automation while CCP does not. That's like you considering my G15 automation because I can record and repress a sequence of keys with a single button push. It doesn't make it true and it certainly doesn't matter, since CCP decide the rules.

the definition of automation is public, everyone can google it. Do it for yourself. I usually prefer the common definition of a well known term over CCP's own definition, formed by strieve for profit, because its my opinion over the state of game is affected here not CCPs.
G15 macros are automation too, yeah, I however dont give a fck about personally, because pressing F1-F8 in a rapid sequence is completely different league from controlling entire fleets of 20 or 30 with 1 single client and 3rd party automation tool.

Lucas Kell wrote:
They've clearly stated their stance.

ofc they did, but I just express my opinion and thoughts about isboxer in a thread about isboxer.
Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#433 - 2014-03-25 12:18:04 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Optimo Sebiestor wrote:
If a drove car A, and used that information to tell car BCDEFG. Then i would get in trouble With the police.. Simples!
Not quite so simples. If the police had explicitly stated that using such a device violated no laws, then no, you wouldn't get in trouble.


CCP isnt the goverment. They are like the Insurance Company.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#434 - 2014-03-25 12:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
So you're establishing that EvE is a "Pay to Win" game.

Yes, this is known. CCP wants to make money. Of course they'll allow multiboxing even though it's automation. They value dollars over integrity.

This is known.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#435 - 2014-03-25 12:19:26 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Except I did push buttons because if I had not then nothing would happen, that is how it is relevant. Sorry dude but ISboxer is not automation software no matter how much you kick & scream.

sure it is, you push buttons on 1 client and isbox automate the other 19. This is why you would use it, for easy automated fleet management.



No, you push a button for all 20. There is nothing automated as that would mean it would be doing things while you were away from keyboard.
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#436 - 2014-03-25 12:21:35 UTC
Multiple accounts = Pay to win. There's no way around that no matter how much goons like to abuse it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#437 - 2014-03-25 12:23:58 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Multiple accounts = Pay to win. There's no way around that no matter how much goons like to abuse it.


Because only goons have more than one account...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#438 - 2014-03-25 12:25:27 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
the definition of automation is public, everyone can google it. Do it for yourself. I usually prefer the common public use of this term over CCP's own definition, formed by strieve for profit, because its my opinion over the state of game is affected here not CCPs.
I couldn't give a crap what the definition of automation is according to random people on the internet. Like most things, it varies. Ask a teenage boy and a father of a teenage girl what the definition of "too little clothing" is and you'll get vastly differing definitions.

As CCP have stated, they do not allow automation involving clicks and key presses with no human source. They do allow key broadcasts. That is their choice to decide at what point they no longer consider it automation, the same as any other business. If you walked into an office and stated you could automate a process, then made a change which just copied someone doing that process, button for button regardless of individual variations between the controller and the repeater, they'd probably not be the most pleased people in the world, since what you delivered wouldn't be what they consider automation.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#439 - 2014-03-25 12:27:03 UTC
So some automation is allowed, while some automation is not.

Got it
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#440 - 2014-03-25 12:27:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Multiple accounts = Pay to win. There's no way around that no matter how much goons like to abuse it.


Because only goons have more than one account...

You're the most (the only?) vocal defenders of it.