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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#501 - 2014-03-25 06:43:17 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
ALL those new players just got creamed.

hot

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Lol

21 pages deleted from 45 Shocked.

That break is well deserved Blink.


45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought?

When i saw he was going to clean the thread I reported his post saying 'you'll need to sweep 30 pages off, not even Hercules could clean this'.

Hercules was merely a demigod, Ezwal is ISD


The thing that still astonishes me is that they aren't paid for this. In the sense that he just chainsawed 30+ pages of this thread to keep it going, instead of just locking it and calling it a day.

And for free.

Now THAT is dedication to the community. ISD Ezwal for CSM 9.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#502 - 2014-03-25 06:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:

Ezwal walks outside for a much needed break and a smoke, gazes at the stars....relaxes.....ah the tranquillity.....

Lol

21 pages deleted from 45 Shocked.

That break is well deserved Blink.


45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought?

Well, I guess I was late to the show then Lol.

Remove standings and insurance.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#503 - 2014-03-25 06:48:16 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:

Ezwal walks outside for a much needed break and a smoke, gazes at the stars....relaxes.....ah the tranquillity.....

Lol

21 pages deleted from 45 Shocked.

That break is well deserved Blink.


45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought?

Well, I guess I was late to the show then Lol.


It escalated quickly.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#504 - 2014-03-25 07:48:39 UTC
Sirikar Nakasoroki wrote:
Love the logic behind all this..

People don't use current compression methods such as rorqual to transport minerals..CCP's fault.

solution nerf refine on modules to prevent a certain part of the player base using a module in the way its not intended, in this case using modules to compress minerals.

At the same time cut mission runners loot refines by 45% as a knock on effect should they collect the loot, knock on effect will probably be more mission blitzing and possibly a increase in price on salvage materials considering if people won't bother looting in missions they probably won't bother salvaging either, be interesting to see the numbers on how much salvage materials come from high sec mission loot.

instead why not just fix the compression problem with the rorqual and null sec stations, the reprocessing change is not even needed.
But that's not the only reason for the change. It's also to stop industrialists being able to just change their mind and refine their product back to material. It's also to allow CCP to be able to change BPO materials when they balance things without having to hack in "extra materials" to prevent magic minerals appearing.

And prior to MTUs, a lot fewer people looted. MTUs increased efficiency by an absolutely huge amount. This change reduces only the junk loot portion of mining, which by estimates from the people that know their loot is around 4% reduction in overall income, less than the null bounty reduction and certainly not reducing missioning efficiency to pre-MTU rates. People like the OP are just having a knee-jerk reaction to the change without realistically calculating it. They keep just saying "ooh, 45%" like the overall reduction to missioning will be that. It's not even close.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#505 - 2014-03-25 07:58:10 UTC
Oh god is this thread still open?

See, this is why censorship can be a force for good.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#506 - 2014-03-25 08:18:01 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oh god is this thread still open?

See, this is why censorship can be a force for good.
I know right? Took me a minute to realise it's the same thread with the overhaul though :p I kinda wish they'd given us shorter notice on the change. Like the day before or something. Since now we are gonna have to deal with the same thing over and over until the summer. Then when it rolls around 99% of the complainers will go "oh, is that all it's doing?" and plod along merrily.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#507 - 2014-03-25 08:19:48 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oh god is this thread still open?

See, this is why censorship can be a force for good.
I know right? Took me a minute to realise it's the same thread with the overhaul though :p I kinda wish they'd given us shorter notice on the change. Like the day before or something. Since now we are gonna have to deal with the same thing over and over until the summer. Then when it rolls around 99% of the complainers will go "oh, is that all it's doing?" and plod along merrily.


I know right.

Plus, it also breaks into the "Nerf/buff High/Null" territory of that other horrible never-ending thread

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#508 - 2014-03-25 08:21:49 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oh god is this thread still open?
See, this is why censorship can be a force for good.


Perhaps.
Particularly on the part of a few hired whitewashers, spindoctors, stonewallers and associated like-farming alts.

All that aside, it is objectively true that these changes nerf certain activities.
No escaping that fact, though individuals may perceive the significance differently.

(Inb4 but but muh benefits!! Dey r plaing wrung!! etc)

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#509 - 2014-03-25 08:28:37 UTC
Is he supposed to be boss-eyed?

I feel Im trolling to point it out, but I feel he's trolling to make an AV who need to wear corrective lenses.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#510 - 2014-03-25 08:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Is he supposed to be boss-eyed?

I feel Im trolling to point it out, but I feel he's trolling to make an AV who need to wear corrective lenses.


Who? What?

There are others who have contentions about the changes, as is the case in every patch.
Just let them have their say. No harm in it, and no need to get panties in a twist.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#511 - 2014-03-25 10:33:31 UTC
This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#512 - 2014-03-25 10:36:49 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when?
Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#513 - 2014-03-25 10:45:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when?
Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space.

It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do.
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#514 - 2014-03-25 10:59:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when?
Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space.

It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do.


That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them.
As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#515 - 2014-03-25 11:02:43 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
This is objectively a good change (the main problem is because the meta design is flawed since you will almost always pick the meta4 item), now they need to remove all isk from ratting and this game will start to become balanced, CCP nerf ratting when?
Null ratting was nerfed very recently. I'm not sure removing all isk from ratting would be a good thing though, in any section of space.

It wouldn't. Removing bounties would put faucets and sinks at an almost equal level with no room to grow and no allowance for the basic hoarding instinct of your standard MMOer. It would be a spectacularly harmful thing to do.


That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them.
As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.



Black ops dont need any help.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#516 - 2014-03-25 11:04:23 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them.
As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening.

And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#517 - 2014-03-25 11:05:29 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:

As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.




WTF is wrong with Blops?! They are insanely good already.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#518 - 2014-03-25 11:13:08 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them.
As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening.

And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment.


No it wouldn't because "normal" pve is still available it's just less rewarding and inflation seems to be a problem for CCP and after looking at the market I tend to believe them.
Ramona McCandless wrote:

WTF is wrong with Blops?! They are insanely good already.

baltec1 wrote:

Black ops dont need any help.


Yes but the point is it's not viable to blops everytime to gank nullbears unless they only rat in carriers, especially if you live in lowsex.
They should make it more viable for people in solo/small gang to gank bears in null without having to commit to null/wormholes, more content, emergent gameplay, risk, reward all that. Roll
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#519 - 2014-03-25 11:23:22 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
That's true to a certain extent but right now bounty money is a big part of the inflation, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to pve without creating content for others, seems fair right? For example if fw was more interesting CCP could put most of the lp store stuff fw-only and introduce mission running in hs while being a wt, if they don't want to go to the warzone let the warzone come to them.
As for null well maybe make blops an even more mobile small gang platform because honestly unless you live in wormholes/null ganking nullbears is a hassle.

But all this would require good design, so it's not happening.
No, it would require kicking half the playerbase in the nuts and mechanically forcing them to play a certain way, which is why it's not happening.

And inflation really isn't much of a problem at the moment.


No it wouldn't because "normal" pve is still available it's just less rewarding and inflation seems to be a problem for CCP and after looking at the market I tend to believe them.
OK, explain to me where inflation is a serious problem then?

And PVE players would be forced to PVE in other areas to be able to compete on the level with anyone else. You'd be favouring PVP over PVE substantially for isk generation. That would give people the option of joining in or not bothering, since there would be no way for them to catch up.

The end result would be a whole bunch of people quitting, then the market crashing, since all of those things that there's a bunch of people happy to grind all day for wouldn't be provided.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#520 - 2014-03-25 11:25:07 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:


Yes but the point is it's not viable to blops everytime to gank nullbears unless they only rat in carriers, especially if you live in lowsex.




wat


Blops bridge a wing of manticores all over that nullgate and bomb the dickens out of it, kill the Hyperion with two Widows, jump out again for tea and medals.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann