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Isboxer, why is it allowed?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#341 - 2014-03-25 09:46:38 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire.


Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window.


Then do that.
Tacomaco
No Taxes just fun
#342 - 2014-03-25 09:47:13 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.


Many players have several accounts.

How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend?

Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#343 - 2014-03-25 09:48:25 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money.

it is clicking for you, however you describe that.
Which questions?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#344 - 2014-03-25 09:48:48 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire.


Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window.


Then do that.


Alot of people already do. The point here is how is doing this thing that everyone can already do any different from using ISboxer & how does doing any of this automate or accelerate gameplay?

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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#345 - 2014-03-25 09:49:01 UTC
Tacomaco wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.


Many players have several accounts.

How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend?

Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts.

Time to change that.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#346 - 2014-03-25 09:49:58 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
they use english language and well defined terms in their EULA so someone would be able to understand it.
They cant redefine meaning of well known terms in our world, otherwise their EULA wasnt worth a crap.
Sure they can as long as they explain what they mean. And they have.

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What they can do is not enforcing their EULA policies even despite obvious violations
…but luckily, they don't do that.

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And well of course they would say they ban this many, what else would they say otherwise?
So it doesn't matter what I provide since you're just going to brush it off as “oh they're just saying that”. The indisputable fact remains that thousands of accounts have been banned for breaking the rules against automation. The indisputable fact remains that multiboxing has been very clearly and repeatedly stated to not break those rules during the very same time period. You know all this because you were there.

So the notion that they're just “not enforcing the EULA” for the love of money is nonsensical, disingenuous, and contrary to historical fact.

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this is what I mean with excuses.
It's not an excuse. It's a clarification of statements from legalese to plain English — exactly what you wanted.

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per common definition of english language
…which is not the one that matters no matter how much you cry and stomp your feet and wish it were.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2014-03-25 09:50:23 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money.

it is clicking for you, however you describe that.
Which questions?


So you're saying that I don't have to physically press buttons for that to happen & that the entire thread was a complaint against nothing. Good to know.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#348 - 2014-03-25 09:51:37 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Tacomaco wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.


Many players have several accounts.

How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend?

Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts.

Time to change that.


People having alts is a huge income stream for CCP. Why would they go ahead & annihilate upto 70% of their income over a couple of guys complaining?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#349 - 2014-03-25 09:51:50 UTC
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#350 - 2014-03-25 09:51:51 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money.

it is clicking for you, however you describe that.
If you believe this, you don't understand what the software actually does.

Because no, it does not click for anyone.

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Which questions?
The ones in the post you quoted. The ones you skipped over for no good reason.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#351 - 2014-03-25 09:51:54 UTC
Sigh another thread which divides into the logical vs the intractable (plus a small child with an anal fixation).

Im not even going to suggest who is who, but some people like to argue rather than see sense.

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Salvos Rhoska
#352 - 2014-03-25 09:53:50 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
(plus a small child with an anal fixation).


Hey! I heard that, butt-face!

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#353 - 2014-03-25 09:55:30 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire.


Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window.


Then do that.


Alot of people already do. The point here is how is doing this thing that everyone can already do any different from using ISboxer & how does doing any of this automate or accelerate gameplay?


You know what, don't do that. Just because the option exists to do it with windows doesn't mean windows itself is not software. It's still using the windows software to give one the ability to control multiple accounts at once without the need of selecting and controlling each one individually resulting in no increased risk that would normally be associated with using multiple accounts during ordinary game play.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#354 - 2014-03-25 09:56:29 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

It saves about 3 seconds, but you haven't answered the question: How does ISboxer acquire resources at an accelerated rate?

example ratting/plexing tengus:
since you dont need to click your tengus manually, for example cycling through clients, locking or shooting missiles, your 5 tengus are acting in same time, with perfect volleys in coordinated and paralleled manner.
Without isbox you wouldnt kill that fast, this is obvious and doesnt need further explanation.

Tippia wrote:
Sure they can as long as they explain what they mean. And they have.

actually, its pretty irrelevant what they do with their EULA, in fact they allow automating tools in their game, aside of anything written in EULA (since its worthless). This is what I'm saying.

Tippia wrote:
but luckily, they don't do that.

they do. See fleets of isboxers.

Tippia wrote:

So it doesn't matter what I provide since you're just going to brush it off as “oh they're just saying that”. The indisputable fact remains that thousands of accounts have been banned for breaking the rules against automation. The indisputable fact remains that multiboxing has been very clearly and repeatedly stated to not break those rules during the very same time period. You know all this because you were there.

yes actually even if you would provide any "proof" in form of CCP's statement, you couldnt verifiy that.
What I see is fleets of automated isboxer fleets running around, which arent touched by CCP despite of their automated manner.

Tippia wrote:
which is not the one that matters no matter how much you cry and stomp your feet and wish it were.

I'm not argueing about EULA itself that much, more about the fact they allow automated isbox bots in their game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#355 - 2014-03-25 09:57:18 UTC
I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#356 - 2014-03-25 09:57:54 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

So you're saying that I don't have to physically press buttons for that to happen & that the entire thread was a complaint against nothing. Good to know.


yes, You dont need to press buttons on the xx clients running in background, it is done by isbox. This is primary purpose of this software.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#357 - 2014-03-25 09:59:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Because no, it does not click for anyone.


if you arent clicking them manually by yourself, someone else must do that, they dont click themselves, right?
This "someone else" is isbox.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#358 - 2014-03-25 10:01:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules.

13 pages and someone still hasnt got what we argue about.
Its automation by isbox not multiboxing as such (running your x clients manually).
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#359 - 2014-03-25 10:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Robert Caldera wrote:
actually, its pretty irrelevant what they do with their EULA
…other than the fact that it's what they refer to when tossing people out of the game for breaking the rules. So it's fairly relevant as far as the separate futures of botters on the one hand and multiboxers on the other hand go.

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they do. See fleets of isboxers.
Oh, you mean the ones that don't violate the EULA?

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yes actually even if you would provide any "proof" in form of CCP's statement, you couldnt verifiy that.
Sure we could. In fact, we did many times. The sharp and immediate drop in average people online is pretty obvious. It's trivially easy to validate if you're interested, but you're not — you just want to drive a narrative that directly contradicts reality.

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I'm not argueing about EULA itself that much, more about the fact they allow automated isbox bots in their game.
No, they don't. All detected bots are banned, and if they happen to use isboxer for some reason, it makes no difference.

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if you arent clicking them manually by yourself, someone else must do that, they dont click themselves, right?
If you aren't clicking manually by yourself, the software does nothing — it does not click for you (which is why it doesn't fall afoul of the rules against automation).
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#360 - 2014-03-25 10:01:59 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules.

13 pages and someone still hasnt got what we argue about.
Its automation by isbox not multiboxing as such (running your x clients manually).


Oh, I get it.

You're just wrong, so I pay it no mind.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.