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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2011-11-17 07:31:28 UTC
Meldorn Vaash wrote:
What I think the Naga should have:

Torpedoes
150% bonus to torpedo velocity
Let's face it, Torps are ****ing slow and this class of ship is all about hit and run. The velocity bonus also addresses the range issues.

5% to 10% Rate of Fire for Siege Launchers per level
Not sure what CCP's crystal ball says the DPS should be for this ship.

Since CCP was so kind to allow drones on the Talos for smaller targets, the Naga should get its cruise missiles. As far as a bonuses, apply the bonuses to cruises as well. That way it doesn't take all day long to shoot at range.

While your at it... Add about 100 Grid, 50 CPU and 1 low slot

Done....

Love it, Flame it... whatever... Just don't make it another hybrid platform...

Those bonuses are over the top ,no wonder , torps are broken especially if you need such huge bonuses just to make them work in a narrow area... , even still without dmg bonuses it wouldnt have any advantage over close ranged turret ships.

Not another hybrid ship?? hmm last rail ship was the rokh , missile ships after it if i remember right: golem, tengu, navy scorp
2 of them are torp ships...

naga with cruises it only can be broken , broken due to missile delay or broken due to can kill anything in blobs
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-17 07:38:45 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Meldorn Vaash wrote:
What I think the Naga should have:

Torpedoes
150% bonus to torpedo velocity
Let's face it, Torps are ****ing slow and this class of ship is all about hit and run. The velocity bonus also addresses the range issues.

5% to 10% Rate of Fire for Siege Launchers per level
Not sure what CCP's crystal ball says the DPS should be for this ship.

Since CCP was so kind to allow drones on the Talos for smaller targets, the Naga should get its cruise missiles. As far as a bonuses, apply the bonuses to cruises as well. That way it doesn't take all day long to shoot at range.

While your at it... Add about 100 Grid, 50 CPU and 1 low slot

Done....

Love it, Flame it... whatever... Just don't make it another hybrid platform...

Those bonuses are over the top ,no wonder , torps are broken especially if you need such huge bonuses just to make them work in a narrow area... , even still without dmg bonuses it wouldnt have any advantage over close ranged turret ships.

Not another hybrid ship?? hmm last rail ship was the rokh , missile ships after it if i remember right: golem, tengu, navy scorp
2 of them are torp ships...

naga with cruises it only can be broken , broken due to missile delay or broken due to can kill anything in blobs


MY TORPEDO BONUS WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:









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Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-11-17 07:46:46 UTC
Katabrok First wrote:
Oh yeah! Naga is a railboat! Oh yeah! Tears are my prefered drink!!!!


i wonder when all these embarrassing tears references will have grown old, even on the last idiot on the internet.

o.t.: while i understand the op in regard of the lack of choice in the missile ship department, i personally like the change towards hybrids and very much that is. still more missile ships are needed, maybe a future goal while including more pirate factions.
True Killjoy
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#24 - 2011-11-17 08:06:34 UTC
I for one, welcome our new railgun overlords.




But we all know the only new battlecruisers thats going to see extensive use is the artillery tornadoes. Straight
Jump SuperCaps Now
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-11-17 13:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jump SuperCaps Now
Because they use BS weapon systems..........

If it was fit with cruise the DPS would be less than a frig, and if it used torps it couldnt even damage its own ship class.

BTW Maybe BS missles are broken CCP?
Alara IonStorm
#26 - 2011-11-17 13:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:

They don't need to, Caldari rails kill Galeente blasters before they get in range.

Everything else can as well. Other weapons have the distinction of being able to do other things.

I want my Cruise Rokh, HAM Eagle and Torp Naga.

Stupid Split Weapons, give failbrids back to the Gallente.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-17 17:38:19 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:

They don't need to, Caldari rails kill Galeente blasters before they get in range.

Everything else can as well. Other weapons have the distinction of being able to do other things.

I want my Cruise Rokh, HAM Eagle and Torp Naga.

Stupid Split Weapons, give failbrids back to the Gallente.



Well, put Large Neutrons on your Naga and you WILL be a lot better than with Talos for sure, unless you want to gank miners Lol

Go take a ride on at SISI, you'll see that Naga can be a nasty stuff at your ass spewing heavy stuff from far distances than you can target.
DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-11-30 06:53:14 UTC
Eva Blacklist wrote:
Dear Santa,

Please bring me a Naga with eight torpedo launchers. I have been good this year. Twisted

Sincerely,

Little Eva


Santa said to tell you that you already have a caldari ship with 8 torpedo launcher slots... its called a golem...
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#29 - 2011-11-30 06:58:30 UTC
I'm glad you made a Naga QQ thread, we really didn't have enough already.
Saracena
Infinatech
#30 - 2011-11-30 10:21:35 UTC
Honestly the argument that torps just couldn't cut it as a weapons system for the naga is pretty telling about the state of missiles right now.

I think if they gave the naga the same bonii as stealth bombers the range issue wouldn't be a problem, as long as you get rid of the ******* ship velocity nerf on javelin missiles (like the other javelin ammo's that have been unnerffed recently). Either that, or give a damage and missile velocity bonus to it and make it a cruise boat. The hybrids just fail.

If nothing else, it'd be fun to watch burn eden go to town with these things under a cruise platform. Lol
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-11-30 10:23:16 UTC
Saracena wrote:
Honestly the argument that torps just couldn't cut it as a weapons system for the naga is pretty telling about the state of missiles right now.





Well BS class missiles anyway, you can't possibly tell me that Heavies are underpowered.

Torps and Cruises.....yeah pretty nasty.
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#32 - 2011-11-30 10:25:14 UTC
Caldari =/= missiles

Caldari are :

Shield
Railgun
ECM
Guided Missile

Thus a railgun ship is completely inline with them.
Saracena
Infinatech
#33 - 2011-11-30 10:26:07 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Saracena wrote:
Honestly the argument that torps just couldn't cut it as a weapons system for the naga is pretty telling about the state of missiles right now.





Well BS class missiles anyway, you can't possibly tell me that Heavies are underpowered.

Torps and Cruises.....yeah pretty nasty.


Yeah heavies and below I think are fine (and by fine I mean extremely effective), it's the BS stuff that's well....BS.
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#34 - 2011-11-30 10:42:12 UTC
Tore Smith wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Oh yeah! Naga is a railboat! Oh yeah! Tears are my prefered drink!!!!


i wonder when all these embarrassing tears references will have grown old, even on the last idiot on the internet.

o.t.: while i understand the op in regard of the lack of choice in the missile ship department, i personally like the change towards hybrids and very much that is. still more missile ships are needed, maybe a future goal while including more pirate factions.

Well, let me draw for you: the tears reference comes from the idea that the OP is crying because he won't receive a new drake. Besides that, I'm happy that we caldari will finally have a hybrid boat (non T2) with damage bonus.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-30 10:46:41 UTC
Saracena wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Saracena wrote:
Honestly the argument that torps just couldn't cut it as a weapons system for the naga is pretty telling about the state of missiles right now.





Well BS class missiles anyway, you can't possibly tell me that Heavies are underpowered.

Torps and Cruises.....yeah pretty nasty.


Yeah heavies and below I think are fine (and by fine I mean extremely effective), it's the BS stuff that's well....BS.


Torpedoes were just a bad option on the Naga because no ship with a paper tank is going to reliably get into the ranges necessary to apply that weapon system, especially in a large fleet environment.

Torpedoes are fine for what they're intended to do. Cruises are just terrible because that range is no longer viable in any aspect of the game, and their damage is pretty bad compared to the other close to mid range weapons. There really needs to be a missile in between torps and cruises for battleships. For a comparison, in battleship missiles there's only really a choice between blasters with antimatter, or rails with iron. There needs to be a rails with antimatter, plutonium, or uranium option. It could be as simple as adding a battleship sized heavy launcher upscaled in the same way that assault launchers are upscaled from standard launchers.
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