EVE General Discussion

Then why do they ban accounts by the thousands if they use tools that do break the rules for automation?

No, it is very much relevant, because that's where we get into the whole “accelerated rate” bit.

If your 5 accounts (or whatever) earn the same as any other 5 accounts, you're not getting anything at an accelerated rate. You're getting what one might expect from that amount of accounts. Just because you get to keep it all to yourself doesn't mean it's wrong — it just means that you have a very strong consensus between those 5 accounts on where the ISK should be spent, but really, that's also no different than how any other 5 accounts could be organised.

If anything, it's the individual perspective that is irrelevant; what matters is how much and how quickly n accounts can produce compared to n accounts. If your software does more, there's a problem; if it doesn't, there's not. If (as is the case with all multiboxing) there's less, there's definitely no problem. And yes, it will be less because those accounts all performing the same action can't respond to their individual situation and that reduces efficiency.

@OP: Because CCP makes more money when mass-multiboxers can play their game since they tend to have tens (one or two) of accounts.

The answer is simple. Yes you do.

ISBoxer may not be botting but without doubt it provides automated actions for mutltiple acounts.
Are u breaching EULA whe you are using ISBoxer?
Lets find out together!

"B. By CCP for Breach or Misconduct

(1) Suspension of Account

Without limiting CCP's rights or remedies, CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account; or (ii) unauthorized access to the System or use of the Game by you or any user under your Account."


Player is responsible for any ingame actions on any account he owns. Behaviour that breaches EULA on any of your accounts may result in ban to all your accounts. This is understandable. U sanction the prohibited behaviour and not just the account.

Now to the ISBoxer itself:

"CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."

Is it a third party software?

Yes it is

Does it facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play?

As stated above. All actions in game will be credited to the player, not ONLY to the account. Now does the player gain ingame wealth at accelerated rate compared to "ordinary Game play"? While individuall ability of player to micromanage numerous accounts at once may be different, the effectivness of micromanagment decreases with increasing number off controlled acounts. Now compare it with ISBoxer. Does the effectivness decrease with increased number of accounts? No it doesnt.

ISBoxer does provide one player with increased advantage, because u do gain wealth (in absolute numbers not per account) in game faster than regular player using same number of accounts as u BUT without utilizing ISBoxer.

So usage of ISBoxer for multiboxing to gain wealth in game is indeed forbidden by EULA. If CCP chooses not to enforce this part of EULA against selected group of ppl utilizing this program, its just bad company policy. Best course of action from CCP would be to ban ISBoxer usage or to update EULA.

I suspect paying someone to ban active players instead of concentrating on bots and RMT isn't smart business. Funny how ban zealots always think GM's work for free and are there to enforce their personal opinions of what's right and wrong.

How do you manage to earn more with (say) 5 accounts than you do with (say) 5 accounts?

No. So sayeth the authors and arbiters of the EULA, and the EULA has already received an update to make this clear.

what is automation and what is not is not upon you or CCP, its a well defined term and you can google for it.


where can I look at those "thousands of closed accounts". Link your source.
There is no obvious reason why they allow isboxer, aside of profit. Because they would be otherwise banned.


if if wouldnt give any kind of advantage noone would use it.
The advantage is simple, it allows you to control entire fleets by 1 person which he wouldnt be able to handle in an effective manner.


here again, your source about banned accounts?
I have yet to see a banned isboxer, they dont enforce their automation policy upon isboxers, because of profit they cash in from those.

Yeah but it is though. In their game, which they own, they can call ships bananahammocks if they like.

However, you dont seem to be wanting to discuss the topic. You seem to want to argue semantics with Tippa, which is similar to tellin a cat it should bark.

you are unable to recognize the obvious fact that the 19 chars, running behind your main one and replicating its actions, are in fact automated bots. You play 1 char, 19 others are acting on their own, controlled by isbox. You dont steer them directly, they are steered by software copying your actions but yet they are not controlled by you, thus they are automated copycats.


they dont allow automation per EULA, in same time they dont enforce same EULA upon isboxers which are automating tools per common definition.

your source?
they dont, you see it in case of isboxers running around.


I explained the accelerated part in this thread already, go back and read it. Its actually pretty obvious.

it is not upon CCP to define what is automation and what is not.
It is however upon them to decide whether they allow forms of it or not, which they do in case of isboxers.

Yes it is. They define the scope of the terms they use to describe what is and what isn't allowed in the game.
Multiboxing does not count as automation in the eyes of the EULA, same as how nonconsensual violence does not count as griefing. And the definition they use is very simple: if it's 1:1 input from player to client, then it is not automation. If some piece of software starts sending commands to the client without player input, then it is.

Look up any of the bot banning sprees they've gone on from Unholy Range (2009) and onwards. So if it were about the money, how do you explain that accounts get banned by the thousands?

…which is an advantage over yourself, not other players. Again, it's still just 5 (or whatever) accounts doing the same thing as any other 5 accounts.

…because it doesn't break the rules, unlike automation tools, which get people banned in such large amounts that it impacts server performance and monthly population averages(!).