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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#101 - 2014-03-24 17:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
LordOfDespair wrote:
You've still not answered the question: How many accounts do you play on?



Just don't bother arguing with Tippia, plain and simple. You, I, and anyone else with a shred of sense in their brains understands that clicking on one client and having that click broadcasted to 19 other clients is automation. It is just that simple.

She will argue the point until she is blue in the face, because yes, she does use it, and yes, profits from it greatly, and does not want it to go away.

In the end all of those accounts end up lining CCP's pockets, hence the stance they take on ISBoxing. Just be content with the fact that you don't exploit the game, others do, and it's beyond your control.

Obviously the game is not designed to have one person controlling 20 accounts, else there would be an in-game, non 3rd party way of doing so. If the ISBoxers want to be delusional and hide behind "Well CCP says its ok", so be it. You and I both know its a form of botting, even if there is one person controlling the 19 bots. If they ruin your game experience so much, move on to another game.

If I would even consider using 20 accounts to play a frickin game, I would need to take a serious step back and re-examine my life.

If the game means so much to them that they need to play 20 accounts at the same time using 3rd party software and you have fun just playing a video game .............. Well, you win by default, my friend.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#102 - 2014-03-24 17:58:28 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
but not for the reason of their excuses but just because they want the money.
What? Could you please rephrase that as a coherent sentence.

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Which matters? I tell you what matters -> your money from 20 isboxed accounts.
…which is proven false by the fact that CCP happily get rid of accounts that could be making them money. So how do you square that fact with your presumed reasoning?

Quote:
if this would be true, noone would use it.
It is true, and that's why people use it: because it doesn't automate anything and requires manual input, and thus don't break the rules.

Quote:
more hurfblurf in lack of arguments?
Just because you can't counter an argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Please try again: how do you square the very simple and much-publicised fact that they will happily jettison thousands of accounts with the presumption that they only allow multiboxing because it requires lots of accounts?
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#103 - 2014-03-24 18:01:57 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
You've still not answered the question: How many accounts do you play on?



Just don't bother arguing with Tippia, plain and simple. You, I, and anyone else with a shred of sense in their brains understands that clicking on one client and having that click broadcasted to 19 other clients is automation. It is just that simple.

She will argue the point until she is blue in the face, because yes, she does use it, and yes, profits from it greatly, and does not want it to go away.

In the end all of those accounts end up lining CCP's pockets, hence the stance they take on ISBoxing. Just be content with the fact that you don't exploit the game, others do, and it's beyond your control.

Obviously the game is not designed to have one person controlling 20 accounts, else there would be an in-game, non 3rd party way of doing so. If the ISBoxers want to be delusional and hide behind "Well CCP says its ok", so be it. You and I both know its a form of botting, even if there is one person controlling the 19 bots. If they ruin your game experience so much, move on to another game.

If I would even consider using 20 accounts to play a frickin game, I would need to take a serious step back and re-examine my life.

If the game means so much to them that they need to play 20 accounts at the same time using 3rd party software and you have fun just playing a video game .............. Well, you win by default, my friend.


Yeah fair enough mate.

I'm thinking about just ignoring anything else Tippia has to say.
Dominic karin
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#104 - 2014-03-24 18:03:35 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.


I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.


What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.


Thanks!


Anything that allows you to go afk while a program plays the game for your is bannable. Clicking Jump every 3 seconds is a form of playing the game.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2014-03-24 18:05:58 UTC
This thread can be summed up with this.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#106 - 2014-03-24 18:06:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
What? Could you please rephrase that as a coherent sentence.

more blabla please as you obviously got nothing better to respond.

Tippia wrote:
which is proven false by the fact that CCP happily get rid of accounts that could be making them money. So how do you square that fact with your presumed reasoning?

how you know? You got some statistics about banned botters? What I see multiboxed fleets everywhere, which arent banned for the only good reason: money. Because everything else would get them banned, even CCPs own EULA.

Tippia wrote:
It is true, and that's why people use it: because it doesn't automate anything and requires manual input, and thus don't break the rules.

no, either you are stupid or a ******. People use it because they couldnt steer their fleets without aid of automation software.

Tippia wrote:

Just because you can't counter an argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Please try again: how do you square the very simple and much-publicised fact that they will happily jettison thousands of accounts with the presumption that they only allow multiboxing because it requires lots of accounts?

what?
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#107 - 2014-03-24 23:30:42 UTC
If Y'All would quit quoting Tipia, I wouldn't even know she's still here. Just click on her name and select hide posts. after a page goes by we can continue a real conversation.

Until then we need James to start selling boxer permits and it would be nice if our content creators would create a boxer geddon for us to play.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#108 - 2014-03-24 23:35:33 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
She will argue the point until she is blue in the face, because yes, she does use it, and yes, profits from it greatly, and does not want it to go away.

I dont know that this is an accurate conclusion.

Im not sure he even plays the game at all anymore, at least not on Tippia as a character.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-03-24 23:56:43 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
If Y'All would quit quoting Tipia, I wouldn't even know she's still here. Just click on her name and select hide posts. after a page goes by we can continue a real conversation.

Until then we need James to start selling boxer permits and it would be nice if our content creators would create a boxer geddon for us to play.


I'm not one to ignore people just because they hold an opposing point of view. What you're asking for is an echo chamber of people that condemn ISBoxer, not a discussion. You've already decided that it's 'bad' and you aren't interested in discussion. Fortunately, you're wrong, that much is obvious, as is the fact that you're not very good, nor are you interested in learning. Which is good, because it means CCP will ignore your opinion entirely.

As a single account holder myself, I'm on record for talking out against multiboxers in the past. Unlike you, however, I'm capable of reason, and changed my opinion when presented with new information, as a result of actual discussion with multiple points of view. I listened to opposing points of view, and eventually conceded that multiboxing, even with ISBoxer, gives no one any special advantage.

Anyway, you won't find an echo chamber on GD. If you want that, I'd suggest checking out Answers in Genesis, see if they have a forum there or something.

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Sister of Pain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-03-25 01:08:05 UTC
Why so much hate for Tipp? His/her/its answers are always clear and concise. Most importantly, he/her/it sets everyone on the correct path when they are clearly wrong.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2014-03-25 01:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
LordOfDespair wrote:
So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.


I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.


What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.


Thanks!


In before botting perma-ban, I hope you enjoy the time you have left in EVE.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-03-25 01:39:14 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
I talked to the GMs and they weren't very helpful. They were so vague and wouldn't confirm or deny anything.

They directed me to the EULA and technically what I want to do should be okay. However the ELUA is so vague also that it raises uncertainty.

I think if somebody is allowed to ISbox 20+ accounts and make billions of isk, this shouldn't really be cared about either.


2 major errors there.


1. The EULA is very clear that any form of AUTOMATION is prohibited. What you do is automation, as you set it up to do things without your personal input.

2. You think that ISBoxer is automation, which is untrue. It just copies the MANUAL input over multiple clients and thus is not automated. If said person would walk away from the keyboard, all 20+ accounts would do NOTHING.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#113 - 2014-03-25 01:45:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
If Y'All would quit quoting Tipia, I wouldn't even know she's still here. Just click on her name and select hide posts. after a page goes by we can continue a real conversation.

Until then we need James to start selling boxer permits and it would be nice if our content creators would create a boxer geddon for us to play.


I'm not one to ignore people just because they hold an opposing point of view. What you're asking for is an echo chamber of people that condemn ISBoxer, not a discussion. You've already decided that it's 'bad' and you aren't interested in discussion. Fortunately, you're wrong, that much is obvious, as is the fact that you're not very good, nor are you interested in learning. Which is good, because it means CCP will ignore your opinion entirely.

As a single account holder myself, I'm on record for talking out against multiboxers in the past. Unlike you, however, I'm capable of reason, and changed my opinion when presented with new information, as a result of actual discussion with multiple points of view. I listened to opposing points of view, and eventually conceded that multiboxing, even with ISBoxer, gives no one any special advantage.

Anyway, you won't find an echo chamber on GD. If you want that, I'd suggest checking out Answers in Genesis, see if they have a forum there or something.



Thank you for a personal assault on my intelligience, beliefs and resilience.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#114 - 2014-03-25 01:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
J'Poll wrote:
1. The EULA is very clear that any form of AUTOMATION is prohibited. What you do is automation, as you set it up to do things without your personal input.

Really? What clause of the EULA would that be?

The nearest would be Conduct A.2., but I think that's why he only has a vague answer so far. If it was clear cut they would have said, but until a formal decision is made on what he wants to do, it mustn't be as clear as we all think (I also think what he wants to do doesn't feel right, but cudos to him for asking first).
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#115 - 2014-03-25 01:49:02 UTC
All this fuss over not wanting to be at the keyboard to fly your ship.

Why even play the game?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#116 - 2014-03-25 01:52:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
All this fuss over not wanting to be at the keyboard to fly your ship.

Why even play the game?


+1. Seems like a lot of talk to figure out if someone can implement their own form of autopilot.

Seems a silly way to play a game to me, but I'm a bit simple that way.

I wish CCP would remove autopilot all together. But that's a whole different discussion.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#117 - 2014-03-25 02:06:55 UTC
Really this thread should not even be touching on ISBOXER. If it would go anywhere it should have went to stuff like autokey or setpoint by logitech. Another area thats important to this conversation is INNERSPACE and LAVISHSCRIPT.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#118 - 2014-03-25 07:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
J'Poll wrote:

2. You think that ISBoxer is automation, which is untrue. It just copies the MANUAL input over multiple clients and thus is not automated. If said person would walk away from the keyboard, all 20+ accounts would do NOTHING.


google for "automation" if you want a definition of it. Broadcasting of input fall into definition (which CCP ignores because of money they farm from it).

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Really? What clause of the EULA would that be?

the part which prohibits automated actions by 3rd party tools (playing your 20 clients in background i.e.).
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2014-03-25 15:57:05 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
All this fuss over not wanting to be at the keyboard to fly your ship.

Why even play the game?


+1. Seems like a lot of talk to figure out if someone can implement their own form of autopilot.

Seems a silly way to play a game to me, but I'm a bit simple that way.

I wish CCP would remove autopilot all together. But that's a whole different discussion.


One big area is hauling. If you ever look near the trade hubs there is a vast amount of stuff that has to be moved around the universe in big slow as crap freighters. That speed is compounded by the time it takes to crawl that 15km to each gate under standard autopilot.

So I can understand in certain cases having the ability to "autopilot" straight to the gate would be something some people would value.

Of course ppl did this by injecting the client and got a nice big hit with the ban hammer not long ago.