EVE General Discussion

Probably the only thing they can do by now.

theoretically everything can be done without isboxer, point is it makes it a lot more efficient and in many cases realistic.

- you can warp your suicide gank catalysts manually to the freighter you plan to gank but it will be a hell of pain in the butt and you would maybe not even manage to gank it because concord would appear on scenery and spoil your show while you're cycling through your clients and firing manually.

- you could smartbomb ratting manually but noone does that, you know why? Because its as well pain in the butt, activating fire on each client individually while rats are spreading and drifting out of your smart bomb range, you screw and loose ships.

- you could fly incursions with 10 clients manually. noone does that, because its too much work coordinating and the slightest mistake will get your nightmare pulverized

and so on,..


let me tell you the story about isboxed fleets of cheap suicide ganking catalysts and how the freighter failed to mess with primary ship.

An annual sub is far cheaper than paying by PLEX.

warping isnt even primary reason, its simultaneous fire. cus, once you shoot first round concord timer starts ticking.


I dont know much about incursion but obviously its not that bad, otherwise people wouldnt do it, would they?
People with bad internet connection wouldnt do it either.


but group of people splits the rewards, isboxer is alone.


well then, we can ban isbox and similar automating tools as noone really needs and uses them anyways, right?

oh to be young a naïve again

no its just hilariously funny when people argument for something saying they actually dont need it.


you actually dont want it, right?
When using catalysts the cargo value worth suiciding goes down a lot so you can gank more and cheaper freighters.


well, my original point was its automation but CCP dont enforce their EULA upon them just for money - point still stands.

I will concede that kill rate would decline some due to the longer initial setup time.

4 accounts = 8 catalysts
or 12 catalysts every 21 days of the month
isboxer + 8/12 catalysts = epic pvp/ganks

I think a huge part of this debate comes about because people have different definitions of what a single entity in EVE is.

The majority of pro-ISBoxer (and CCP) holds that definition as per account/logged in character. Each one is a separate entity regardless of behaviour, and as long as the means employed do not bust the "unfair acceleration" bit of the EULA per character, it's OK

The anti-ISBoxer crowd defines an EVE entity as the person sitting behind the keyboard, regardless of the number of characters logged in. Looked at from that perspective, ISBoxer is giving an unfair advantage to the person sitting behind the keyboard. Six accounts doing X at the same time is 6 times the income stream/DPS/what have you.

Personally, I don't like ISBoxer, but there are huge benefits to using character/account as the "separate entity" defining line in EVE. I'd rather keep those benefits and deal with ISBoxer, than lose said benefits to do away with it.

I'd also be careful with saying that CCP has approved/accepted/allows ISBoxer. IIRC, the stance has always been "It's a third party program, we neither confirm nor deny it's acceptance under EULA, use at own risk".

So if it's going to be argued that someone is allowed to use a 3rd party automation program to more efficiently control multiple accounts at the same time, then I should be allowed to use an automated mining bot.

Turn it on, take a nap. If we're arguing about efficiency as the defining quality that makes it allowable, then being able to have the game perform actions on it's own while you do something else entirely unrelated is more efficient than one person using multiple accounts.

If you want to control multiple accounts, then alt tab and control them individually. If not, if you want to use 3rd party software to control multiple accounts so you can be more "efficient" with your time, then I should be allowed to do the same.

In fact, lets make it so one can use a mining bot to control a fleet of miners WITH isboxer. Now THAT will be efficiency.