EVE General Discussion

Monkeys arguing over the correct way to peel a banana; The input of one player on one account then is certainly different than the input of one player instantly on 20 accounts (That, regardless of definition, requires some form of automation), Is that game breaking? I don't think so. Might be a little immersion breaking, but not game breaking.

Is it demoralizing to someone that does not (Or can/will not) use the same? Probably.

It still boils down to; Is allowing one guy to run 20 accounts good for EVE? It's probably not.

Is allowing one guy to pay for 20 accounts good for CCP? Without a doubt, yes.

So should CCP hamstring themselves by stopping one guy from cashing in 20 PLEX a month? Not if everyone else, not using ISB, wants to keep playing the game. You have to put up with some dirt if you want to play in the mud, sorry.

get out of hisec.

Defining "automation" is pointless, as its okay to automate some things and not okay to automate others.

EDIT: maybe not "pointless." but its not a slam dunk for either side of the argument.

Personally I feel ISBoxer should not be allowed in EVE Online but CCP has taken a decision that it is alright to use that program. I expect as others have said it makes CCP more money either by increasing the amount of PLEX bought so the ISBoxers can buy PLEX with ISK or if, less likely, they pay for multiple subscriptions with RL cash. You can't blame CCP as they need to make money and first & foremost they are a business.

Users of ISBoxer are probably damaging to the economy of New Eden in various ways but the nuisance value in a local sense is probably more of a problem. I saw a probable ISBoxer fleet of about nine Nightmares no doubt of to do Incursions recently. I have nothing to do with Incursions though so I don't know what effect that has.

The main problem with ISBoxer use is large mining fleets staying in one or two systems constantly and decimating the belts. This can be very annoying for local small mining operations and manufacturers. The ISBoxer fleets I have encountered so far do not speak English so it's nearly impossible to communicate with them so they understand what I am contracted to do.

ISBoxer mining fleet pilots will invariably all have been 'born' around the same date and will usually, although not necessarily, have very similar or unimaginative names. They also tend in the worst cases to be logged on up to 18 hours a day and are therefore partially AFK a lot of the time. If you see this happening and it is personally causing you hassle I suggest try communicating with them. Failing that destroying their ships is the best option.

Umm you do realize you just totally disproved your point... look at the last part of the 3rd definition you yourself referred to. Isboxer program doesn't take the place of human labor... that is strictly speaking what a bot does. It doesn't need any input from a person once the program is activated. Isboxer DOES indeed need human input to work which is why by your own definition... Isboxer is NOT automated.

For clarification here is the definition of Manual:
1a : of, relating to, or involving the hands
b : worked or done by hand and not by machine
2: requiring or using physical skill and energy

Hmm... Isboxer requires MANUAL input so that in conjunction with your definition of automation, especially the part I underlined defines the fact that Isboxer is not a violation of the EULA.
Thanx for playing.

in your opinion, auto transmission in a car isnt automated at all, since it needs human input from gas pedal after all, right?

No, the gas pedal does not operate the transmission. Gear stick does. In an automatic-transmission car, that input is being automated.

LOL... totally out of context. Seriously this is the best you can do? We are talking about software and you bring in cars? Yea... have a nice day.

just trying with something simple, any idiot should be able to understand.

Wow... what is it with the name calling. It's a friendly discussion and I don't know that much about cars to be honest but that doesn't make me an idiot. I just don't understand how that is relative.