Crime & Punishment

The MTU glitch really needed to be fixed though. It should not have been possible to accidentally start a limited engagement just by having drones on the wrong engagement setting, and I find it extremely hard to believe that it was intended functionality. Yes, there were ways to avoid it, but the default settings in eve should not cause timers. I'm glad that ccp let it stick around a bit for us to have some fun before fixing it.

I'll ignore the harassment line because I really don't care what you think of our actual practices. I do however care that you are misrepresenting the organization. The NO didn't morph into anything, and has never claimed that every miner in eve is a bot. Don't put words in our mouths. If you want to discuss the NO, please move to a thread that actually involves miner bumping or ganking, the OP in this thread has nothing to do with it.


I often stop to appreciate the visuals around me in eve, especially the laser shows that appear when doing low sec exploration and spawning too many waves in a frigate. Mining is not the only activity in eve that involves graphics.

I know I'm at odds with many of my colleagues on the MTU change, but the last thing eve needs is more un-intuitive mechanics. I feel that a better change would actually have been getting rid of agressive drone AI entirely and forcing players to assign them to targets while in passive settings. I don't understand why they should be the only weapon system that has an afk option. I do agree that forcing yellow safety for aggressive drones would have been another good option.

I totally agree with you. The solution should have been to tell mission runners to stop trying to play the game afk, HTFUP and keep their stupid drones on passive and order them manually to attack frigate targets. Maybe if they just got rid of the aggresive settings on drones entirely, it would solve all the afk ratting in null sec, afk missioning and afk mining in 0.5-0.7.

Let us not forget Planetary Interaction and Moon mining!!!!!!

PI and moon mining are not risk free activities. Sure, much of the ISK generated is passive income ... and then you end up with transport, manufacturing and marketing obligations [aka - PVP] if you want to generate profit. Risk is built into the process.

Next.

Because the rules of engagement for High Security space make AFK'ing more appealing/viable. Try that in W-space, Low or Null ... unless you're a cloaky prober, or something alone those lines, your AFK experience will more than likely end in a fire. Dying in a fire is not necessarily a good or bad thing ... either you'll learn to adapt and manage risk appropriately, and therfore reap greater rewards over time as a result of your increased skill and knowledge OR you roll the dice and hope you make it. Rolling the dice gets expensive after a while ... clone cost, implant replacement, reputation, morale ... they all count.

If you're in a PvP group ISK Efficiency will likely become a concern. Do you want to be the weak link? Of course not. Everybody is a noob at some point - not everybody outgrows that blissful period of ignorance. If I'm gonna get blasted outta my ship/clone I owe it to myself to at least learn something from that experience.

I would like to highlight that CODE. guys and Kill-It-Forward participants are focusing on "saving High Sec" through outreach and education in hopes that players, new and old alike, will adapt and enrich their gameplay experience through increased knowledge of game mechanics.

Knowledge is Power. Kill the weak.

My solution would have been to simply remove aggressive drone settings entirely. The game shouldn't play itself for you, especially not anything that is an income source. The AFK Domi was and remains a problem, but the first thing that threatens it, and highsec brings the tear brigade onto the forums to get that threat COMPLETELY removed.

Yeah, sorry, but the way it was handled rubs me the wrong way.

Really we need a much more complex drone management options anyway.

It'd be nice to be able to order heavies to orbit my Ishtar but fire on my target... With some speed and orbit buffs, could allow heavies to be a viable alternative to sentry drones for missions. Kit the ishtar with blasters and orbit and even if targeted the complex orbiting the orbiter relationship should help them from gitting hit too terribly much.

I should also be able to set targeting priorities for drones, aka instead of just "passive" "Agressive", I should be able to say "shoot nearest" "shoot farthest" "shoot smallest" "shoot Biggest"

Having to rely on the Drone AI for target priority is bloody stupid.... btw FoF missiles should have similar functionality, right now they won't fire until an NPC starts shooting at you in a mission.

Newbie here, first post I feel qualified to comment on, be gentle

I use a target painter to tell my drones to engage, I paint it, they attack it, most of the time. It helps with the railgun damage too. Is the kind of thing you're talking about?

If not I'd love to know more because it sounds like something worth knowing about.

Thanks for that, just read through it and it's very informative indeed. I have good scanning skills as that's what I set out to do to make isk when I started playing a few months ago, and it's really cool that with not a huge amount of training I can be relatively effective at pvp. I shall be referring back to it regularly and will keep you posted - if you're interested.