EVE General Discussion

that's easy, more accounts = more revenue for ccp.

It's allowed in EVE because you're putting in commands, according to the EULA, you're at the computer and not botting. It's no different from setting up a macro command on a programmable keyboard that activates all your offensive modules at once (like pushing F1-F8 all with one button push).

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense?

Every account active in this game is paid for unless CCP has given someone a special account specifically.

Its a pretty fine line and an issue of contention in many MMOs and has been for years.

The most basic bots are not dissimilar to the results of a programmable keyboard, or software like Autohotkey, or atleast incorporate parts of those to automate activity. More complex ones can even detect graphic elements. What constitutes a bot, is a collection of software that extends the degree of automation. Generally a sequence of key actions are bound with timers to develop a loop in a predictable system. So for example in the case of mining, incorporate the cycle time with a "select next target", F1, style macro.

ISBox may be software that helps enable botting in conjunction with other software, but it doesnt automate commands itself in a way that is botting strictly speaking.

For me, multiboxing really increases my enjoyment of the game. There is less downtime when you are controlling several ships at once, either in support of each other or on completely unrelated tasks. Sort of like playing two+ games at once, which I guess is literally what it is.

Massive multibox mining fleets disgust me, but I think its less an element of botting than it is rather an opportunity to perhaps create more flexibility for players to kill/disrupt their activity. In UO for example, botting became a serious problem in regards to resource markets after Trammelisation, when botters would mine endlessly on predictable loops with no player recourse to kill them. The game mechanics became conducive and enabling of botting. It became ridiculously easy and eventually there where complete integrated bot software suites with nice UIs.

Its one of the reasons I support TNO. As much as its the developers responsibility, in the interest of their own games economy and the games reputation, to code and design the game in a manner that is not conducive to botting, players can also play their part in discouraging it. Many games economies have been utterly ruined by botters, fortunately EVE has some fundamental differences that insulate it a bit from exploitation by "gold sellers" as well.

On the issue of who is using PLEXs bought by other players for gametime, its true that CCP gets its money anyways, and its amlegit use of PLEX ingame. But I think everyone would agree that there is a threshold, that if a large part of PLEX starts being used by massive multibox mine fleets for example (whether botted or not, and frankly mining is so low activity requirement in EVE that it doesnt even really need to be botted), then its probably time to step in and dissuade that kind of extreme.

No, as the bots will lead to higher Plex prices, more so than ISBoxer, and this pisses off the user base.

goddamn doubles

Normally i don't reply to these kind of threads... but.

The difference between a bot and a 3rd party multiboxing software is the fact that someone have to interact with atleast a client.

That means that if modules have to be activated a player have got to interact with the client, unlike a bot it's completely automated.
That means if a client desyncs or doesn't active the player have got to activate said modules, a bot automatically does this.

Since mining seem to be the discussion at hand, a multiboxer with 20 accounts have got to be at home, in front of the computer(s), clicking F1 locking up targets and exterminating the rocks.
This means that the player have got to click and lock up targets, and INTERACT with the client.

A bot is 100% automated and doesn't need said interaction to continue working.

A good question. The answer lies in what activities you can efficiently leverage those accounts into, in order to PLEX themselves.
Which then becomes a question of game mechanics. Multiboxing mining is the primary among them. The activity required is low enough and the yield high enough, that each additional minute invested in each account results in logarithmic increase in profit once you pass the point of PLEXING them (as a factor of the price of PLEX in ISK).

Which drives right to the center of the issue. An intermix of the current price of PLEX, as compared to the profit of whicheverr activity to achieve that threshold. If PLEX was to reach 1bil, for example, multibox mining becomes increasingly difficult to sustain, as though the price of PLEX has gone up, your mineral profits have not. Whereas before, and now, 30hrs of Mackinaw Ice mining per month is roughly sufficient to PLEX, if that raises to 1 bil, you now need to spend roughly 30% more time, so 40hrs per month, to PLEX.

Not its not really impossible to do that. Given the length of the mining cycles its more than possible to be switching between windows its just annoying.

Its also not a software hardware thing either. I can easily clone my mouse and keyboard clicks with an open access dongle. Simply plugs into your usb ports and takes input from the single wireless mouse and keyboard.

Then go get more accounts and download ISBoxer. Easily Solution