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Might be time to move up to Cruisers

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#21 - 2014-03-24 05:09:26 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Humph. Battleclinic Version

The second one doesn't come up on battleclinic. You can find it in my February losses if you so desire.


Cheers mate. I have that fit already saved in my database for use of later. Do you think you would have faired better in you had a neut instead of the Hvy Ass missile v that gang of frigs?

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#22 - 2014-03-24 08:32:02 UTC
Cap won't handle a neut and two reppers. You also need all the DPS you can get in that configuration. The fight started 4 v 1. I killed 4. Big smile. I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot the deputy.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#23 - 2014-03-24 14:40:50 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Cheers Chessur mate, I was hoping you'd see this topic as you are one of the guy I know uses cruisers a lot.

What are your thoughts on stabber/Fleet stabber and fleet scythe ? They have the speed and arties can put out a decent punch. Are they too easily beaten by the frig hoards?

One thing I like is flying something a bit harder than normal e.g. I flew punishers when everyone flew rifters. I fly rifters now as the general populus think they are crap so I'm ok with flying cruisers in a frig dominated meta Shocked call me crazy or whatever Lol

And any thoughts you have as I'll be doing this pretty much solo and definitely un-linked.


The stabber and the fleet stabber are both horrible ships for solo. I will never and have never flown them. Both ships are using a horrible weapon system and frankly can't kite worth a damn.

The scythe fleet, used to be amazing and I flew it extensively. However the RLM nerf happened and I have not really liked the ship afterwards. Like the stabber / fleet stabber it uses auto cannons, however it doesn't have any projection or tracking bonus so really As a ugh ship it's a complete waste. HMLs and HAMs are both complete **** unless the ship using them has an innate velocity / application bonus. Since the scythe fleet also doesn't have that- those two weapon systems are no go. The other option I tried was an lml version. I hated it. Even though I could make silly 100mn + 10mn prop fits, it just had not dpi- but some nice utility though.

If I had to pick a cruiser that is unlinked for solo... Honestly I have no idea. As it stands now, any cruisers going to die to a handful of intys and you are not going to be able to do much about it. Throw in an EAF and you are truly ******. Missile ships are clearly superior for the current high speed into meta, so if I was forced to choose something it would probably be a HAM sprey or HAM CNI. With out links, I would stay away from turret ships because you are not going to have the speed + overheated WMD too burn out and push down transversal and blap frigs. Obviously if you are flying with any missiles, have standard or strong crash with you at all times. It's a life saver.

Best ship for solo / small gang ATM is the heretic- hands down.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#24 - 2014-03-24 18:14:34 UTC
Heretic for null, yeah? I ran into one in low the other day and it died to my Comet like an expensive Coercer.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#25 - 2014-03-24 18:37:21 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Heretic for null, yeah? I ran into one in low the other day and it died to my Comet like an expensive Coercer.

A properly fit LML Heretic could finish a Comet, or any T1/Faction frig for that matter, before it gets into scram range.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#26 - 2014-03-24 20:20:36 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Heretic for null, yeah? I ran into one in low the other day and it died to my Comet like an expensive Coercer.

A properly fit LML Heretic could finish a Comet, or any T1/Faction frig for that matter, before it gets into scram range.

Maybe he just failed badly.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#27 - 2014-03-24 20:40:02 UTC
Cheers for your thoughts on the stabber and fleet stabber Chessur.

It is still the only cruiser to get on my top 15 most used ships on my KB. Interestingly enough though I did a bit of digging and while the numbers are not high I do not have a single loss of a stabber to a frig/gang of frigs. All my stabber losses have involved cruisers or above often way outclassed by HACs, BC or pirate cruisers.

I think I'll probably still use it for a while unless it proves to be completely useless (Then I'll probably end up flying it even more Twisted)

I have also been doing some Fitter warrior'ing with the Fleet scythe and tbh it doesn't look to bad. I can get to just under 3km/s cold with a 4.7s align time (faster & more agile than AF) it also puts out over 400 dps with arties cold, only has about 17k ehp though but tanks over 200dps with booster running and is cap stable with a small cap booster.

While this is pure fitter warrior these figures would indicate that it it at least feasible to use this in combat as I've success with ships that have way less in the stat department. vOv worth a shot anyways.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#28 - 2014-03-24 23:33:56 UTC
In my opinion the most versatile (by this I mean largest engagement profile) is the Navy Omen Issue. Simply because it's fast, the fact you can change the range of what you can hit out to. It can also be fit out with an active armor tank (I've always preferred active tanking over buffer when soloing).

With the current meta of every 3rd pilot flying Crows and Maledictions atm, I think the Nomen can stand up to this the best whilst being able to manage a wider variety of targets at the same time. Also, Falcon alts are still out there and I've always said the counter to ECM is speed or Alpha. So from a soloist perspective, I prefer the speed.

There is a reason why Kovorix pretty much flies the Nomen exclusively. Have a look at the variety of targets he is able to engage.

Yes, I am also currently training to get into this beast........ problem is I'm about 1 month away from being able to fly it "effectively." In my opinion, I think projectile turrets are lacking in terms of damage projection (maybe it's just because of the recent Intie buff and the fact I also get around PvP'ing in Frigates mostly, so it's probably a biased opinion).

One thing I do know though is, if I have as many problems with Crows/Maleds in my Nomen as I currently do when flying in a Frigate, I swear I'm going to throw my PC out the window! lol.

I don't want to say it just yet, but I'm starting to "think" Crows and Maledictions are quiet literally broken atm. But before I say that with 100% confidence, I want to try out the Nomen first.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#29 - 2014-03-25 00:18:42 UTC
It must be my TZ or something because I haven't seen the proliferation of inties roaming around that is being suggested Shocked

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#30 - 2014-03-25 01:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
Taoist Dragon wrote:
It must be my TZ or something because I haven't seen the proliferation of inties roaming around that is being suggested Shocked


Do you roam around in Null Sec often?

EDIT: A couple of days ago, whilst roaming around in a Frigate I told myself I would not engage anything if a Crow or Maledicton was on the Field. For a whole days worth of roaming around trying to find fights, I found 2 fights;

- The first engagement was against a Sabre camping a gate in Syndicate. Being in a Double MSE Jaguar Fit myself, the fight was
too close for comfort for the Sabre pilot. Yeah, he felt the need to warp in his Falcon alt......of course my Jag was lost.

- The second engagement was against a Slicer in my Firetail. This was the only fight all day which was quiet fun, we fought on about 4 separate occasions with neither of being able to pop the other. Finally on the last engagement I actually got a successful slingshot and popped the Slicer.


These two engagements were the only fights I had found all day where there was no Crow/Malediction on the feild. In contrast, if I were to engage in potential fights where there was one of these Inties present, I would have participated in a least 15 more fights (I am not exaggerating on this either).
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#31 - 2014-03-25 01:03:19 UTC
I'm actually pretty curious where you're flying to be confident that you can find other cruisers to solo, IME the odds of being set upon by a gang of frigs is so high that it just makes more sense to counter those
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#32 - 2014-03-25 01:37:02 UTC
I took a 6 hour wander around curse and provi over the weekend in my stabber. I saw maybe 3 inties the whole time and that was only in a passing D-scan. never on grid vOv

As for cruisers I often see cruisers flying around low sec. Both FW and non FW low. vOv

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#33 - 2014-03-25 02:01:47 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I took a 6 hour wander around curse and provi over the weekend in my stabber. I saw maybe 3 inties the whole time and that was only in a passing D-scan. never on grid vOv

As for cruisers I often see cruisers flying around low sec. Both FW and non FW low. vOv


I haven't roamed around in Curse for a while so I can't say much about that region. However, on the numerous occasions where I have roamed in Providence (usually been 1hr +/- downtime) in my Frigates, they always had at least 2 Crows or Maledictions on the Field fleeted with Sabres, Thrashers etc..

I have noticed a tendency for the Provi guys to ship up from Frigates once they see anything larger then a destroyer enter their region.

I will have to give them credit though, it's amazing how much effort they put into shutting down 1 solo pilot. On multiple occasions they have set up gate camps of about 20 pilots just for me.... \o/.

I think this is just the typical behavior to be expected when roaming around in Sov Null due to jump bridge mechanics though.

IME after a few hours roaming around in NPC Null or Low Sec, I would consider myself the luckiest pilot in Tranquility if I didn't see several Crows and Maledictions around.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#34 - 2014-03-25 03:18:48 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I took a 6 hour wander around curse and provi over the weekend in my stabber. I saw maybe 3 inties the whole time and that was only in a passing D-scan. never on grid vOv

As for cruisers I often see cruisers flying around low sec. Both FW and non FW low. vOv


I haven't roamed around in Curse for a while so I can't say much about that region. However, on the numerous occasions where I have roamed in Providence (usually been 1hr +/- downtime) in my Frigates, they always had at least 2 Crows or Maledictions on the Field fleeted with Sabres, Thrashers etc..

I have noticed a tendency for the Provi guys to ship up from Frigates once they see anything larger then a destroyer enter their region.

I will have to give them credit though, it's amazing how much effort they put into shutting down 1 solo pilot. On multiple occasions they have set up gate camps of about 20 pilots just for me.... \o/.

I think this is just the typical behavior to be expected when roaming around in Sov Null due to jump bridge mechanics though.

IME after a few hours roaming around in NPC Null or Low Sec, I would consider myself the luckiest pilot in Tranquility if I didn't see several Crows and Maledictions around.



The large groups coming is also the result of boredom.

They are just so bored out there that they will swarm like flies on **** - even if its only for a Merlin kill.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#35 - 2014-03-25 03:29:42 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:


They are just so bored out there that they will swarm like flies on **** - even if its only for a Merlin kill.


OMG, I can't stop laughing! It's been a while since a forum post has made me laugh so much. I'm saving this quote for future use.
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