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Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-23 23:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Riyria Twinpeaks
About the "how to do hacking" part.
I got that explained pretty well in a tutorial mission, and since then I occasionally just undock in my "hacking heron", scan down sites until I find a data or relic site, and do the hacking minigame there.

It's relaxing every now and then.

You ask:
"If I wanted to go Hacking, where do I begin? What equipment do I need? Who offers missions? Where is the nearest system?"

And I think the first two questions are answered pretty well in the tutorial mission: You need to scan down cosmic signatures, and you need the right analyzer module. There really isn't that much more to it. Well, you got to learn how to scan, too, but that's interesting in itself, imo.
The other two questions seem to be coming from a misconception that you need to have a mission given by the game to do hacking.
There are no mission for most of the things you can do in this game. Just go out and do them.
There also isn't a special kind of system for hacking. You can find the signatures for hacking in any system, though the quality or size of the site may depend on security status (not sure about that, tbh xD).

I'd say if you feel bored by having to read a lot about how things should be done, and by flying long distances to transport goods for your own use (that's how I understood your OP), try a more explorative approach.

What I mean is: Just go out and do stuff. Don't care about the most efficient way to do stuff, just do, and try different ways of doing things for yourself. That way you have less to research, and less time spent with preparing to do something as opposed to doing something.

And once you have a basic idea what could be fun for you in this game, try to find a corp with like-minded people.

For me it was a pretty vague thing: Get better at pvp, in an environment where it matters that I get better, together with good people who I can learn from, and experience the more "dangerous" areas of the game.
Now I live in Nullsec with great people having tons of advice for me, helping me train, organizing roams and small fleet OPs, going on impromptu hunts for intruders, and generally having a good time.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-03-23 23:55:43 UTC
Eve is about the long term plan, imho.
it needs patience, dedication and sometimes just plain sheer bloody mindedness.

There is only a small list of things that offer fairly quick gratification.
everything else is the long haul in terms of required time investment.

You can do anything you have the necessary skills for, it's getting the skills that seems to demotivate some people.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-03-24 00:00:46 UTC
You want content to come to you, you should pick a random system in lowsec, move there and get to know the locals and just try to survive, make isk and set traps. Make it your home. :-)

I disagree
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-03-24 00:12:44 UTC
The closest thing to a tutorial for PVP that I'm aware of is the Agony Basic PVP class. It doesn't obligate you to join a corp. It teaches you the basics of PVP and then takes you out for a roam to get experience flying in a fleet and fighting in battles. After the class you can talk to the instructors or alumni in chat and get suggestions about where to go from there.

We generally don't recruit directly from our own classes, so this is not a recruitment post. If it turns out you enjoy the PVP experience, we will probably refer you to Brave Newbies, Red vs. Blue, or Eve University. We also have more boutique suggestions if you're looking for a more intimate corp experience, or a preference for lowsec or wormhole space.

CCP's community spotlight article on Agony's classes

I would be remiss if I didn't put in the following disclaimer: Agony is an independent PVP corp that recruits experienced pilots who enjoy small gang PVP. PVP-University is a side project that we run as a source of income and because we enjoy spreading the joy of PVP across New Eden.
Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-03-24 00:14:18 UTC
First of all, you are looking at this through the lenses of a pair of world of warcraft (or insert any other generic mmorpg) tinted glasses. So the first thing you need to do is take them off.

Now when people say eve is a PvP game, first of all, you need to understand, that does not mean PvP in the sense of any other generic mmorpg, eve PvP is in every activity you do.

Let me use this as an example. You are mission running at the moment, that is in fact a pvp activity in some aspects. First of all you are gaining LP, the LP is used to purchase items from the NPC store, those items are then sold onto the market in which thousands of other players are also competing to sell said NPC store items. So in that way you are competing with every other mission runner in a pvp activity. That is what people mean when they say Eve is a PvP game.

You don't need to be playing eve through the barrel of a gun, there are limitless ways to play this game, many of them don't involve having to shoot a thing.

For eve you need a lot of imagination, and to me it seems that is what you are lacking. You want the PVE content served up to you, which is something which eve will never do.

I would suggest that you don't give up so easily though, try and step outside the confines of your current thinking, do a little research and see what is on offer. This is what people mean when they say eve has a learning cliff, to get the enjoyment out the game you cannot just jump straight in to some PVE adventure which CCP have created for you, you need to create the experience for yourself.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#26 - 2014-03-24 02:22:07 UTC
Blaine Nolan wrote:
It's right click > Warp > right click > Warp.

you might as well add a "Auto-Fight" button next to the Auto-Pilot)


You are not missing anything. Just don't try asking for any fixes because all of the usual suspects will pile in here telling you what an idiot you are for asking CCP to change something to make the game more fun for you.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#27 - 2014-03-24 04:55:12 UTC
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I feel like I've skipped the quest line that tells you what the point of it all is


There is your problem - there is no "quest line" in EVE. It is your quest, so start playing it per the many good suggestions posted here.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-03-24 05:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Well the game is suppose to be a launching platform you use to put yourself into a position to play the real game.

The real game is interacting with the other people. You play the game to get materials needed to play the real game.

The game itself is incredibly boring. What's interesting is the potential when you get into the real game.

Sadly, the "real game" of eve, while interesting in the same way a car accident on the high way is interesting, is still not very compelling. I might want to look at the carnage while passing by because I'm super pissed I had to wait 20 extra minutes to get somewhere, but it's not so entertaining that I want to get out of my car and hang out with the crew cleaning the place up, maybe taking pictures.

it's the people really. The way they present themselves is in a manner that influences you to believe that they aren't people worth interacting with.

EvE has horrible people.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#29 - 2014-03-24 05:29:31 UTC
Any fun in EVE ultimately comes from competing with other people in some way. PvE in EVE is absolutely horrible and since this game takes place in space there is nothing interesting to see. But PvE doesn't have to be pure PvE and PvP doesn't have to mean straight up fighting. Examples: Running incursion sites with a decent fleet and denying another fleet the payout, racing other players to the loot in hisec exploration sites, hunting explorers in low/null/WH, or being the one being hunted.

Some people like to try building a little empire I suppose, for them there is trading and manufacturing and whatnot. Not my cup of tea. Some people like to chill and chat while mining. Again not my thing. I can wrap my head around these play styles though. Missions on the other hand... You have to grind through them if you want to raise standings with NPC factions. But aside from that, I don't understand why people put themselves through the torturous boredom of doing them.

Find a way to interact with people somehow. You don't need friends to do it. I'm a solo player, I still come into contact with other players.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#30 - 2014-03-24 05:41:04 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
You have to grind through them if you want to raise standings with NPC factions. But aside from that, I don't understand why people put themselves through the torturous boredom of doing them.


Jesus I know, doing missions makes me want jump off my balcony. How many times do I have to destroy Kruul's pleasure hub?

However, when you need standing they have to be done. That is the worst part.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-24 05:45:16 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
You have to grind through them if you want to raise standings with NPC factions. But aside from that, I don't understand why people put themselves through the torturous boredom of doing them.


Jesus I know, doing missions makes me want jump off my balcony. How many times do I have to destroy Kruul's pleasure hub?

However, when you need standing they have to be done. That is the worst part.


Everyone loves money.

I should be able to pay a corporation a ton of money to make them like me. That's how the real world works.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#32 - 2014-03-24 05:49:59 UTC
A few things stood out to me.

You mention you have been playing the game for 4 years, but after all that time your still running lvl 3 missions, and you ave never encountered any form of PVP (as in someone has done their best to blow you up).
You also mention that you think your in a PVE corp.

For the amount of time you spend doing research.
Most times this is things you have to look up once or twice (like how to do hacking) and while you might find your desk drowning in post it notes for a while, eventually you will have all the basics memorized and wont need to do research on it.
And often you can just ask your fellow corp members and they will have the answer to your questions, severely cutting down the amount of time needed to try and find the information on your own.

For no PVP.
If you have spent the majority of your time in high sec i can understand that you have not run into much PVP. While a lot of people shout about all the gankers, its fully possible to go for years and years and never get ganked.
However, in 4 years you should at least have experienced one war dec.
Unless you spent those 4 years in an NPC corp of course Lol

But, some corporations also manages to get away from war decs, in general by being so small that its not worth the cost of war deccing them, or live so remotely that they have little to no contact with other players beyond the once in their corporation.
Both of these can be bad depending on how you are as a person.

Based on what you have said im guessing that your time has been spent in smaller corporations, which can also explain why you feel a bit insecure on what to do.
A corp is a great way to get involved with new aspects off the game. and gives you company while doing your own stuff (like going 30 jumps from Jita).

But it really worries me that your not really sure what your corp does.
This shows a lack of research on your part, a lack off communication within the corporation, and a very careless recruiter that dont even take the time to tell you exactly what you are joining.

However, EVE is not a game where you can expect someone to entertain you 24/7. Sometimes you have to make your own entertainment. And once you figure out what you actually enjoy doing, this will be much easier Smile

So, im going to leave you with two links.

First one is a guide on how to help you find a corporation (covers basic research and similar).

Second one is to help you see what you can do in EVE.

Get out there and find people that can show you things you havent tried before. Join RVB for a while, go to low sec and play around, join Agony Unleashed PVP classes, join random public channels and get to know people.

People makes EVE interesting. Go and find them Smile

Phoibe Enterprises

The Eve Reader -  Audio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#33 - 2014-03-24 05:57:27 UTC
I think two of the big things you are missing OP is the "bigger picture" and the "social aspect."


In a RL job you know what will get your a promotion based on the feedback you get from peers and superiors. And so you work your way up by doing more than what the requirements are and what people expect... whatever they may be. The same is true in EVE.

To be more physically fit you know you need to work out... but how do you REALLY become physically fit? Do you want more endurance? More sprinting power? More raw strength? What are the "secrets" that will give you an edge over others? Ask peers and people who know their stuff. Figure out whether it is a matter of adding more protein to your diet or if you just need to do a certain activity that gives you better coordination and finesse. The same is true in EVE.


If you dislike jumping 30 systems to re-supply... figure out how to cut that down. Is it a matter of having a faster ship? Or do you just need a supplier more local to your base of operations? Maybe you need to make friends with someone who can quickly move stuff around.

If you find missions not that lucrative and/or boring... find new ways to make money. Play the market. Scam someone. Be a spy or intel master that gets paid for your efforts. PvE is not the only way to make ISK. There are some people who pay ISK for out-of-game (but related) artwork on forums... or 3rd party services (ex. a "middleman")... or PvP courses. Long ago I personally made money by smashing player assets for rival industrial corporations (see: I was a "hired gun").


Basically... look more at the PROCESS of improving yourself and your character's life rather than purely the end results. You are paying ~$15 a month for fun... but it is a more intellectual fun compared to other games.

How did you Veterans start?
Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-24 06:13:19 UTC
I find your post interesting OP. Currently I feel the same way, however the difference is that most of my experience in game is in the PvP department, as opposed to the PvE side of things.

Granted, most of my PvP experience is in solo play. I find the activity of solo PvP very difficult and this is what keeps me interested. However, my dilemma atm is the current small gang PvP meta.

Mostly, the Falcon alts, Stabbed FW farmers and the current Crow/Malediction meta which pilots love to group up in fleets of about 10 which puts a huge dampener on things. It's literally rediculous how many of these things are getting around atm and severely limits your engagement opportunities. I have accepted this is my problem since I have been getting around in a Frigate most of the time. However, I am hoping that I have many more engagement opportunities once I can step into a Cruiser effectively and the 100's of Crows and Maledictions getting around atm aren't as much of a problem.

Small gang PvP is fun, however if you are like me who doesn't mind traveling around 30+ jumps in one roam, it's very hard to find a corp that will do that with you. In my experience, most of them like to camp a pipe and/or gate instead of trying to actively hunt targets down. IMO, boring play. Not to mention, playing in the Aussie TZ doesn't help much either.

I have tried to do the whole Null Sec F1 blob dog thing, but I also find this tremendously boring.

I guess I'm just hoping to find that Corp I fit in well with and hope that Cruisers opens up many avenues for PvP (Hopefully Crows and Maledictions won't be as much of a problem). If this fails, I guess the only activity I have left to try is wardeccing High Sec Corps to try and fulfill my Solo PvP needs... I know that if I get to this point, I'll probably end up quitting. Hopefully I don't because I do enjoy the complexity and difficulty of the game (yes I know how stupid this sounds considering what I just said in the wall of text)

but meh, I do understand what you mean.


P.S - Well, did I go off on a slight tangent!........ lol
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-03-24 06:27:35 UTC
OP, would you say that through your experiences with people in EvE, either directly through interacting with them, or seeing how they act with/towards others, that the community of EVE seems to be one you would prefer not to be part of?

Totally understandable, and correct.

These people are only trying to trick you to interact with them so they can gain your trust, and then stab you in the back so they can get lulz and internet high-fives from their only friends, their online friends.

Don't fall for it.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#36 - 2014-03-24 08:55:39 UTC
Blaine Nolan wrote:
Thanks everyone for their input/advice.

I realise that what I've missed out on is the PvP side of EVE, which is part intentional and part circumstance.

I do enjoy PvE more than PvP, and was never told - or see it advertised - that EVE was a PvP focused game.

I started playing about 4 years ago and fell into the traps of Mining as a primary focus, then Rep grinding, and now Missions/LP grinding. Each time resulting in me cancelling my sub because I was looking for something "more".

So I think I will be moving on for good this time - thanks for helping me clarify that. I wish EVE was a game that better fostered a PVE experience outside of PVP, or at least pushed players towards PVP during the very beginning.

I honestly have gone 4 years without even witnessing PVP. I read about these grandios battles but have not had 1 pilot ever try to attack me.

The EVE system told me about all the things in PVE I could do -- gave me tutorials on all the different types of skills/professions, but not once introduced me to PvP -- so I play in complete ignorance of it.

If there is one constructive thing I hope CCP / anyone else could gain by reading this thread is that if the excitement/enjoyment of this game is focused around the PVP element then advertise that more prominently and introduce people to PVP mechanics early on. I wouldn't have minded losing a starter ship in a PVP battle straight out of Sisters of EVE because then that would have given me that goal/target of what to work for etc.

Instead I was left in space floating aimlessly jumping from PvE skill to PvE skill :)

Thanks again everyone.

If anyone wants to come and try kill me, I'll be somewhere in The Forge doing Security Missions until the 28th March, come find me and show me the PvP I've been missing :P I'll be in a Drake :) You have 5 days haha :D


Why don't you slip over the border into low sec in your drake and find for yourself.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-03-24 09:11:48 UTC
Blaine Nolan wrote:
The EVE system told me about all the things in PVE I could do -- gave me tutorials on all the different types of skills/professions, but not once introduced me to PvP -- so I play in complete ignorance of it.


This. IMO this is what needs to be changed to help get people away from the 'eeek PvP!' mentality. There is a huge disconnect between PvE and PvP mechanics. I know that they will always be different beasts but it would be good to see the 2 brought closer together, maybe incorporating more PvP tactics into PvE or something.

At the minute they are almost 2 distinctly seperate games.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-03-24 12:33:03 UTC
Missions, looting, mining , exploration, manufacturing.
These are some ways to acquire isk.
Isk is NOT the point of the game.
Earning isk is not endgame.
Most activities in eve require isk and finding one you find fun is a new players first task.

This might be high sec pvp, low /null small gang pvp
null sec fleet fights,
Faction warfare
exploration of dangerous space
wormholes
incursions
destroying morale /ships of opposing corps
killing capital ships
scamming
spying
theft
awoxing
code compliance


whatever you like.
step 2 is join a decent corp that specialises in these activities (this is harder than it sounds)
step 3 \o/ you are having fun.
Some ways of making isk will make your eyes bleed.
Don't do them.

You don't need large amounts of isk or SP for any of the above activities but having friends helps with most thus joining ome communities such as but not limited to a decent corp.
Just stop looting if the process drives you mad.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#39 - 2014-03-24 12:43:05 UTC
If you are looking for a faster paced style of play that involves you shooting at other people instead of boring npc's, then join the in game chat channel 'Spectre Fleet'.

Spectre Fleet is a public group that takes out fleets of usually low skillpoint ships with the intention of fighting anyone and everyone. There are alot of experienced pilots alongside alot of very new players learning to pvp for the first time. There is no long term commitment, you don't have to join any specific corp or alliance - you join the chat, x up and have fun.

From there you will learn alot more about the game, venture into low and nullsec for the first time, see ships you never knew existed and learn how they work, after that - you might have a much clearer idea of what you want to do in the game.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-03-24 13:19:35 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:


Forgot to mention one thing about the LP, make sure you check the market prices before you buy anything from the LP Store, some things in there are worth than others, some items you can actually make a loss on.

Big missions are the ones where you're up against a lot of battlecruisers and/or battleships, look for the missions that offer the highest amounts of LP and ISK as a reward, those tend to be the big ones. I haven't done level 3s in a long time, but typically I won't bother salvaging a level 4 mission if I killed less than 10 battleships.



It's worth pointing out LP only really comes into its own with blitzing level IVs in a lower security system for a good corp with good social skills.

For example I ran a level IV Vengenace with my mission alt earlier tonight. It took about 40 minutes. I ignored the loot except for the named baddie Moon (who had about 3 mill in mods) and got about 20 mill or so bounty and 4 mill mission reward. So roughly 25 mill for the mission itself . It was a sisters 0.5 sec agent so I also got ~ 9500 LP for the mission which traded for sisters probes will fetch me a profit of 20 mill ISK. So all up 45 million ISK in 40 minutes and about half that was LP.
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