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Bill Gates: Yes, robots really are about to take your jobs

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#1 - 2014-03-23 10:58:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Your job has to be taken by robot.

The are working on robots that paint pictures, make poetry, how long untill human race will become obsolete? In the place where I work people are just standing and punching a button, that is their work. Creative jobs like programming and design are made by 2 people and its enough with programming tools they have, but how long until artificial intelligence will take over their jobs?

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Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-23 11:01:36 UTC
The obligatory post in a thread like this.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-03-23 11:48:15 UTC
Good, cheaper products.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2014-03-23 12:11:29 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
Good, cheaper products.


But will you even have the means to buy them ???

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Bobble Hat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-03-23 12:22:27 UTC
Thankfully based on the diabolical state of our automated test systems I am in no danger :P

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-23 12:27:01 UTC
So lets get the old betting board out.

Are we going Terminator way or Herbert's Dune way?

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Rouen-Michel en Lefevre
#7 - 2014-03-23 14:39:51 UTC
Thankfully, my job will be safe.

Also, Dune-way.
stoicfaux
#8 - 2014-03-23 16:21:24 UTC
Graygor wrote:
So lets get the old betting board out.

Are we going Terminator way or Herbert's Dune way?

Neither. The switch to having all work done by robots/computers won't be instant. Which means that at some point a large proportion of our society will be unemployed, e.g. 50% unemployment and 50% of work done by robots/computers. The unemployed will be homeless/starving/in extreme poverty before they can benefit from the fruits of a society where all work is done by robots/computers. Society will collapse in the riots. No society, no infrastructure. No infrastructure, no food and electricity.

Maybe the next society to emerge from The Dark Ages 2.0 will get it right.


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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#9 - 2014-03-23 16:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I had read many russian novels that described this problem. In one of them robots were so advanced that they made it to another star system together with their human creators. Humans evolved thru millenia and were generations away from the starting people. When they landed on planet that was inhabited by alien sentient beings, they were decribed by alien race as parasites feeding on ship systems, brains were small and intelectual properties were similar to a dog for them. Aliens were in awe at creators of the ships, and did in fact made discovery that those humans on the ship were their evolved form. "Humans" together with aparature were taken away to "zoo".

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XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#10 - 2014-03-23 17:13:25 UTC
And you thought raising the minimum wage is a good idea
Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-23 17:13:35 UTC
Human consumers are overrated.

Virtual robot consumers consuming virtual robot products are the way to go.

She strutted into my office wearing a dress that clung to her like Saran Wrap to a sloppily butchered pork knuckle, bone and sinew jutting and lurching asymmetrically beneath its folds, the tightness exaggerating the granularity of the suet and causing what little palatable meat there was to sweat, its transparency the thief of imagination.
Robby Altair
#12 - 2014-03-23 17:34:50 UTC
Robotics Age. Really miss this Magazine.

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-03-23 18:11:20 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Graygor wrote:
So lets get the old betting board out.

Are we going Terminator way or Herbert's Dune way?

Neither. The switch to having all work done by robots/computers won't be instant. Which means that at some point a large proportion of our society will be unemployed, e.g. 50% unemployment and 50% of work done by robots/computers. The unemployed will be homeless/starving/in extreme poverty before they can benefit from the fruits of a society where all work is done by robots/computers. Society will collapse in the riots. No society, no infrastructure. No infrastructure, no food and electricity.

Maybe the next society to emerge from The Dark Ages 2.0 will get it right.

Unless the governments provide sufficient unemployment payments that the unemployed can live comfortably and the problems will be solved.

When the free market won't solve a problem, then it is the duty of governments to step in and solve it.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#14 - 2014-03-23 18:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
How far away we are from that idea http://www.theoldrobots.com/book50/Robotics_AGE_Vol_5-3.JPG to a 3D printer robots that can be mobile and create another robots from scratch. Shocked

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-03-23 23:15:33 UTC
If it comes to this, we just have to change the economic system. No, not to communism, which failed. But we could develop a new one that allows for the fact that people won't work for their living anymore, because there is nothing that can't be done better by a machine twenty years from now (or so little that it can't carry an economy, like 5% employment rate). Capitalism had a good run for about 200 years, it's about time we start thinking about its successor.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-24 03:30:32 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Graygor wrote:
So lets get the old betting board out.

Are we going Terminator way or Herbert's Dune way?

Neither. The switch to having all work done by robots/computers won't be instant. Which means that at some point a large proportion of our society will be unemployed, e.g. 50% unemployment and 50% of work done by robots/computers. The unemployed will be homeless/starving/in extreme poverty before they can benefit from the fruits of a society where all work is done by robots/computers. Society will collapse in the riots. No society, no infrastructure. No infrastructure, no food and electricity.

Maybe the next society to emerge from The Dark Ages 2.0 will get it right.




Ah the futurama way.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-03-24 03:52:28 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
If it comes to this, we just have to change the economic system. No, not to communism, which failed. But we could develop a new one that allows for the fact that people won't work for their living anymore, because there is nothing that can't be done better by a machine twenty years from now (or so little that it can't carry an economy, like 5% employment rate). Capitalism had a good run for about 200 years, it's about time we start thinking about its successor.

It doesn't need to be an overhaul. Just bolt on something to ensure that the unemployed majority have sufficient income to keep the economy flowing for those who are employed. Basic income is one possibility. Every citizen receives a regular, unconditional, payment from the government. If someone wants a higher income, then they need to supplement in some way, probably by finding paid employment.

If you want to replace capitalism, I'd like to hear what the alternative system could be and, more importantly, how the transition would work.
Rouen-Michel en Lefevre
#18 - 2014-03-24 04:36:14 UTC
It's doubtful any transition would ever be voluntary or planned. Or happen at all, really.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#19 - 2014-03-24 08:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
One step closer to losing my job. More free time to play EVE I suppose.

A different, not so serious take on the distant future with robots that are the dominant mechanisms http://tal.forum2.org/cyberiad Lol

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Adunh Slavy
#20 - 2014-03-25 09:55:54 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Unless the governments provide sufficient unemployment payments that the unemployed can live comfortably and the problems will be solved.

When the free market won't solve a problem, then it is the duty of governments to step in and solve it.



Yes, let's solve problems by sticking a gun in eveyone's face and force them to do what *you* want.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
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