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Isboxer, why is it allowed?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2014-03-23 23:00:57 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.
Isboxer is allowed because it's so brilliant at generating forum tears.

No, really it's because it's not botting at all, you still have to interact with the game directly, and the benefit it gives is not as much as you would imagine. It's mainly useful for letting you swap between clients with ease.


What about the massive balls of barges, 20, 30, 50 barges all operated by an isboxer, there's plenty of these around, and countless more less extreme examples. How is this any less damaging than a mining bot? The majority of them have learned to use tanked barges, procurer, skiffs, so don't tell me ganking is the answer because it's not.
Because a mining bot runs 24/7 without anyone actually being there, and is extremely efficient. Isboxer users are nowhere close to as efficient, have to be there and don't run 24/7.

But what exactly is it they do that annoys you? Just ignore the balls of barges and get on with playing the game.

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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-03-23 23:01:18 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
What is this "damage" you speak of. They lower costs of ships and discourage you from solo mining, which has been proven to damage brains.


I have seen local chat when an isboxer is hoovering up an Anomaly. Normal players are driven away by such people. A prime example is the RISE isboxer in Agal. He got rid of all the other miners because he hoovers up an anomaly in about 20 mintues. Nobody wants to play in the same area as him, players leave.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-03-23 23:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Lucas Kell wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.
Isboxer is allowed because it's so brilliant at generating forum tears.

No, really it's because it's not botting at all, you still have to interact with the game directly, and the benefit it gives is not as much as you would imagine. It's mainly useful for letting you swap between clients with ease.


What about the massive balls of barges, 20, 30, 50 barges all operated by an isboxer, there's plenty of these around, and countless more less extreme examples. How is this any less damaging than a mining bot? The majority of them have learned to use tanked barges, procurer, skiffs, so don't tell me ganking is the answer because it's not.
Because a mining bot runs 24/7 without anyone actually being there, and is extremely efficient. Isboxer users are nowhere close to as efficient, have to be there and don't run 24/7.

But what exactly is it they do that annoys you? Just ignore the balls of barges and get on with playing the game.


I think you've got that backwards. I'm not seeing any 24/7 mining bots destroying ore and ice fields. But I've seen plenty of isboxers doing just that.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-03-23 23:10:12 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
What is this "damage" you speak of. They lower costs of ships and discourage you from solo mining, which has been proven to damage brains.


I have seen local chat when an isboxer is hoovering up an Anomaly. Normal players are driven away by such people. A prime example is the RISE isboxer in Agal. He got rid of all the other miners because he hoovers up an anomaly in about 20 mintues. Nobody wants to play in the same area as him, players leave.


Their tears should form a new ice belt tbo.

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-03-23 23:10:20 UTC
Last month it was a guy saying that ISboxers can lead armies all by themselves and play at the exact same quality as normal players....

This month it's someone whining about that they gotta move around in the game to mine...

Have your eyes out for next month where someone is complaining about ISBoxers having an unfair advantage in PI.

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Salvos Rhoska
#26 - 2014-03-23 23:14:26 UTC
Cos every high-sec ice-mining mackinaw can PLEX itself with only 1hr of mining a day/month
ISbox 6 of them for 2hrs a day, and you can PLEX a total of 12 accounts a month.
Thats selling raw. No refining necessary.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-03-23 23:16:34 UTC
Tch jealousy.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-23 23:18:16 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
The damage done by an isboxer with many accounts is at least equal to or perhaps greater than the damage done by a botter.
Says who? You? Well what you think doesn't count, CCP makes the rules. Just another whiner...
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-03-23 23:19:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tch jealousy.


If the situation was reversed, and botting was legal. And I was making this thread to try to have botting changed to be against the Eula, that is exactly what I'd expect a botter to say, along with quite a few of the comments made so far in this thread.

"Tch jealousy"
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#30 - 2014-03-23 23:28:19 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cos every high-sec ice-mining mackinaw can PLEX itself with only 1hr of mining a day/month
ISbox 6 of them for 2hrs a day, and you can PLEX a total of 12 accounts a month.
Thats selling raw. No refining necessary.



I seriously doubt ice mining gives you 350 million+ isk an hour...

Actually I'm not sure what Plex prices are atm, I haven't bought one in years.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-23 23:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
BrundleMeth wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
The damage done by an isboxer with many accounts is at least equal to or perhaps greater than the damage done by a botter.
Says who? You? Well what you think doesn't count, CCP makes the rules. Just another whiner...


According to the Eula, isboxer breaks the rules that CCP made

you may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play

Isboxer is 3rd party sofware, and it definitely facilities the acquisition of items and currency far beyond ordinary game play.

It allows players who use it to do far more than they could ever do without it. A player isboxing 10-20 or more miners is going to be able to mine for much longer without becoming stressed out from trying to to do too much. A player without isboxer probably couldn't mine with 20 accounts in the first place, if he even tried, he wouldn't last long before giving up. Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a massive advantage.
Salvos Rhoska
#32 - 2014-03-23 23:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Last Wolf wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cos every high-sec ice-mining mackinaw can PLEX itself with only 1hr of mining a day/month
ISbox 6 of them for 2hrs a day, and you can PLEX a total of 12 accounts a month.
Thats selling raw. No refining necessary.



I seriously doubt ice mining gives you 350 million+ isk an hour...

Actually I'm not sure what Plex prices are atm, I haven't bought one in years.


....

As in 1hr of mining a day, every day, for a month, will PLEX it.
Sorry that I confused you, ya old bastard.

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Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#33 - 2014-03-23 23:34:13 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
I have seen local chat when an isboxer is hoovering up an Anomaly. Normal players are driven away by such people. A prime example is the RISE isboxer in Agal. He got rid of all the other miners because he hoovers up an anomaly in about 20 mintues. Nobody wants to play in the same area as him, players leave.

Gank him until he stops. War dec him if you can. Make him pay for being a bad social actor.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-23 23:35:03 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.




Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands.

Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input.

How are these the same?

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#35 - 2014-03-23 23:41:12 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Last Wolf wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cos every high-sec ice-mining mackinaw can PLEX itself with only 1hr of mining a day/month
ISbox 6 of them for 2hrs a day, and you can PLEX a total of 12 accounts a month.
Thats selling raw. No refining necessary.



I seriously doubt ice mining gives you 350 million+ isk an hour...

Actually I'm not sure what Plex prices are atm, I haven't bought one in years.


....

As in 1hr of mining a day, every day, for a month, will PLEX it.
Sorry that I confused you, ya old bastard.



It didn't confuse me, I was just being a smart ass. The way you wrote that was 1 hour of mining a day per month.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-03-23 23:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Prie Mary wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.




Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands.

Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input.

How are these the same?


Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot.

Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So what if it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense.

Putting all of that aside, which is already grounds to have ban isboxer according to the Eula, I could even argue that isboxer is in a way automation, the player is using, let's say, 20 accounts. But only controlling one of them, the others are automatically doing everything he does on the first one.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#37 - 2014-03-23 23:44:38 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:



Simply said. You don't understand. I know where you are coming from in your way of thinking and for quite some time I also thought like you do ... but after some extra debates with proof and numbers and so on I found out that your statements are not correct. I am sorry.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#38 - 2014-03-23 23:45:16 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Prie Mary wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.




Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands.

Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input.

How are these the same?


Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot.

Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense.


More tears please. I have 40 procurers that all need a carwash after a hard weekend at work.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-03-23 23:46:13 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:

Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot.

Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So what if it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense.

I could even argue that isboxer is in a way automation, the player is using, let's say, 20 accounts. But only controlling one of them, the others are automatically doing everything he does on the first one.



I believe you need to re educate yourself on the EULA, this subject has been brought up a lot in the past and this thread is only going 1 way.... IBTL

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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-03-23 23:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Belt Scout wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Prie Mary wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.

Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.




Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands.

Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input.

How are these the same?


Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot.

Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense.


More tears please. I have 40 procurers that all need a carwash after a hard weekend at work.


And I bet you pay for those 40 ice mining accounts with plex you buy from the market too. What do you contribute to EVE? Probably play for free, with all those accounts, using up server resources, and driving normal players out of the game. Sounds no different than the damage done by botters, this is just as bad, in every way.