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What ship for solo exploration in hisec?
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Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#1 - 2014-03-22 12:33:06 UTC
As the title says i'm looking to do some exploration, anomalies, ghosts sites etc, whatever i run to. So i would like to have advice on what ship to have to do it solo (pref sth amarr). As far as i understand i still need to fit probes to scan sites even after rubicon, so my usual mission running apoc wouldn't be good. I've heard t3 ships are good, but they are overall bit expensive to buy and fit correctly.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-03-22 12:59:04 UTC
You want to use a T2 cruiser if you have the skills, else a faction cruiser. You might also want a battlecruiser or battleship, for doing escalations, but that is not required.

Make sure you have analyzers and explosive resist mods in the cargohold, you'll need it for ghost and other hackable sites.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#3 - 2014-03-22 13:20:10 UTC
As i understand i would need to fly around some before finding anomalies so i would prefer only one verstile ship so i wouldnt need to backtrack to much to get another. Which T2 crusier? Would zealot fitted with probe launcher be enough for anything i can encounter in hisec? Also is hisec exploration worth the efort or should i just stick with lvl4-5 missions or cosmos?
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#4 - 2014-03-22 13:34:59 UTC
Gila, Ishtar, Cerberus, Sacrilege are all good, but most people don't bother with hacking and only do combat sites. Gnosis is OK, too. Basically, as much DPS as possible. Stratios seems to the best option if you are really into the mini game.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-22 13:45:19 UTC
Mayfed wrote:
As i understand i would need to fly around some before finding anomalies so i would prefer only one verstile ship so i wouldnt need to backtrack to much to get another. Which T2 crusier? Would zealot fitted with probe launcher be enough for anything i can encounter in hisec? Also is hisec exploration worth the efort or should i just stick with lvl4-5 missions or cosmos?


Just put a probe launcher on your combat ship, with 3 points in scanning you should be able to scan all hi-sec sites, with the exception of 1-2 hackable sites.

Zealot or Omen Navy Issue are probably the ship i would give a try.

How much you make from exploration is hard to say, it depends a lot on luck. I've 2-3 times make 1B in a couple of hours in hi-sec, but i have also trying making 50M for a full weeks work.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Salvos Rhoska
#6 - 2014-03-22 14:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Depending on what NPCs you will encounter, you want to choose a ship that has a resist and damage profile that is appropriate.
Furthermore you have to take into account the different EWAR used by different NPC factions in your choice of ship and fit.

I'm at that juncture myself atm, and unsure whether for Angel sites if II would be better off skilling into a Sacrilege (with a good resist profile, but crappy (?) missiles), or just going ahead into a Vagabond (poor resist profile, but good Arty dmg).

I dont mean to hijack your thread, but if someone has some advice on that choice Id appreciate it as an addendum to whatever you are answering to OP.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#7 - 2014-03-22 14:38:44 UTC
I'm already skilled quite far into amarr/energy weapon/armor tanking, so i think i would look around amarr space for exploration.
Also is Sacrilege better for it than Zealot? I gues missiles on it gives me more versatility in choosing dmg type, but as i said i'm fully skilled in energy weapons so wouldn't i do more dmg with them than with faction launchers if i fly around amarr space and encounter amarr rats?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-22 15:36:21 UTC
If you pick energy weapons, you want to explorer in blood raider or sansha space.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#9 - 2014-03-22 15:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nam Dnilb
Mayfed wrote:
I'm already skilled quite far into amarr/energy weapon/armor tanking, so i think i would look around amarr space for exploration.
Also is Sacrilege better for it than Zealot? I gues missiles on it gives me more versatility in choosing dmg type, but as i said i'm fully skilled in energy weapons so wouldn't i do more dmg with them than with faction launchers if i fly around amarr space and encounter amarr rats?


Sacrilege has a utility high slot for a probe launcher, the Zealot does not. It is also more flexible with mid slots. High sec exploration has become extremely popular and it is all about putting the most damage on the overseer in the shortest amount of time. Refitting takes time.

Go for a Navy Omen if you want a laser boat. It has a utility high and a drone bay. The Zealot's T2 resist won't do you much good in Amarr space anyway.
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#10 - 2014-03-22 16:27:26 UTC
Hmm Sacrilege looks interesting, and i thought about missile warfare some time ago, just for a change. but skilling t2 launchers gonna take some time, and from what i've played around in eft i would do less dmg with meta4 launchers. As for zealot instead of navy omen, the thing is i already got one, would just nedd to refit it from pvp so that way i could save a little money

So far i played around with sth i found and came up with those t2o, are they any good?
Sacrilege
Zealot
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
#11 - 2014-03-22 16:46:09 UTC
If you have the money Stratios is great (around 300M at the moment for the hull).

Yes it's a bit of an overkill for high-sec but it has the abundance of slots so you can fit everything you could possibly need plus a nice omni tank and a buffer for ghost sites. It also has great scanning and hacking bonuses for exploration which will save you tons of time in the long run. The covops cloak also gives you additional safety when traveling.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#12 - 2014-03-22 17:24:31 UTC
Stratios, Gila, Ishtar in that order would be my pick.

The Gnosis if you are under 6 mil sp.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#13 - 2014-03-22 17:59:04 UTC
Mayfed wrote:
Hmm Sacrilege looks interesting, and i thought about missile warfare some time ago, just for a change. but skilling t2 launchers gonna take some time, and from what i've played around in eft i would do less dmg with meta4 launchers. As for zealot instead of navy omen, the thing is i already got one, would just nedd to refit it from pvp so that way i could save a little money

So far i played around with sth i found and came up with those t2o, are they any good?
Sacrilege
Zealot


You put quite a burden on that Zealot with your choice of guns. Smile
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#14 - 2014-03-22 18:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mayfed
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Mayfed wrote:
Hmm Sacrilege looks interesting, and i thought about missile warfare some time ago, just for a change. but skilling t2 launchers gonna take some time, and from what i've played around in eft i would do less dmg with meta4 launchers. As for zealot instead of navy omen, the thing is i already got one, would just nedd to refit it from pvp so that way i could save a little money

So far i played around with sth i found and came up with those t2o, are they any good?
Sacrilege
Zealot


You put quite a burden on that Zealot with your choice of guns. Smile


Ups! of course i meant medium pulse.

Anyway, so if i would choose Stratios (it looks really great :) what fit you recommend?

For now i thought about sth like that:
[Stratios, Mayfed Stratios]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

Myfed Stratios
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-22 19:50:44 UTC
You really want some sentry drones on the stratios.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#16 - 2014-03-22 20:04:33 UTC
Which sentries? and why are they superior than normal drones? I've never really used them.
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
#17 - 2014-03-22 20:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Naya Sky
I would go for something like this. The plate and anti-explosive rig is the buffer for ghost site explosion and you can just rep up after. The explosion seems to be around 5-10k explosive damage and you will get another 1-2k damage from rats before they warp away.

[Stratios, Exploration]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Cargo Scanner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Scan Rangefinding Array II / Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Drone Speed Augmentor II
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Garde II x4

If you MWD away some distance Gardes will pop everything in seconds. Keep in mind you have 400m3 of drone bay to work with, do take a bunch of T2 lights since high sec is 95% frigates. In some DED sites you can't use MWD so you just kill what you can with Gardes and then use lights to clean up.

EDIT: Be very selective about which combat sites you run in high-sec. Since 95% of them are a waste of time.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-03-22 20:22:33 UTC
Mayfed wrote:
Which sentries? and why are they superior than normal drones? I've never really used them.


Sentry drones don't have any travel time before they can apply dps, making them better in most situations.

[Stratios, Exploration]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I

Garde II x4
Curator II x4
Ogre II x4
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

720 DPS with 4 guns, 640 DPS with 2 guns.

Cap stable if you turn off AB and 2 guns, you will need to replace the 2 omni links for analyzers as needed, you also need to swap with resist mods for explosive when doing ghost sites.

Make sure you bring a mobile depo.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Mayfed
Taking Care of Business
#19 - 2014-03-23 19:28:49 UTC
Thank you all for your advices.
For now i'm experimenting with fit more toward gun dmg,but a lot of sansha i encounter yue tracking disruptors, so i think i'll change for one of your more drone-focused builds.