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corebloodbrothers made csm 9 "we did it, thank u voters & believers"

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Cavalira
Habemus
#341 - 2014-03-19 11:02:24 UTC
Meta Warrior wrote:
+1! I've been back in New Eden for about 6 weeks and as a Provi Block member, got to fly in fleet w/ Core for the first time tonight. I had a blast. I was scared crap-less, being new-ish to PVP. He went out of the way to constantly explain what and why he was doing things. I learned a lot in about 90 minutes, especially after being gone for awhile. Quite the calm/collected teacher. Doesn't matter your block, he deserves a seat on CSM. After an hour, I can tell he cares about the EVE community. And that's what counts.


You've roamed with him. What if the other CSM candidates were like him, but better? You've not actually tried it out, have you?

@cores, what actions?
Meta Warrior
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2014-03-19 14:02:12 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Meta Warrior wrote:
+1! I've been back in New Eden for about 6 weeks and as a Provi Block member, got to fly in fleet w/ Core for the first time tonight. I had a blast. I was scared crap-less, being new-ish to PVP. He went out of the way to constantly explain what and why he was doing things. I learned a lot in about 90 minutes, especially after being gone for awhile. Quite the calm/collected teacher. Doesn't matter your block, he deserves a seat on CSM. After an hour, I can tell he cares about the EVE community. And that's what counts.


You've roamed with him. What if the other CSM candidates were like him, but better? You've not actually tried it out, have you?

@cores, what actions?


Couple clarifications. One, this is obvious forum alt, as I stated I'm a Provi Block member and Core is an FC, so going on roam wasn't hard. Second, he wasn't explaining directly to me, he was explaining things to the group as a whole. I've been in other fleets where FC was just 'Jump, jump, Jump!', 'Warp, warp warp!', 'Primary is .....' Core was explaining the rational behind different decisions, so others could learn the why of what we where doing. Giving my support to someone I think deserves it.
Cavalira
Habemus
#343 - 2014-03-19 15:21:09 UTC
Meta Warrior wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
Meta Warrior wrote:
+1! I've been back in New Eden for about 6 weeks and as a Provi Block member, got to fly in fleet w/ Core for the first time tonight. I had a blast. I was scared crap-less, being new-ish to PVP. He went out of the way to constantly explain what and why he was doing things. I learned a lot in about 90 minutes, especially after being gone for awhile. Quite the calm/collected teacher. Doesn't matter your block, he deserves a seat on CSM. After an hour, I can tell he cares about the EVE community. And that's what counts.


You've roamed with him. What if the other CSM candidates were like him, but better? You've not actually tried it out, have you?

@cores, what actions?


Couple clarifications. One, this is obvious forum alt, as I stated I'm a Provi Block member and Core is an FC, so going on roam wasn't hard. Second, he wasn't explaining directly to me, he was explaining things to the group as a whole. I've been in other fleets where FC was just 'Jump, jump, Jump!', 'Warp, warp warp!', 'Primary is .....' Core was explaining the rational behind different decisions, so others could learn the why of what we where doing. Giving my support to someone I think deserves it.


I'm talking about other CSM members. How does being a 'good' FC help you in the CSM?
Peto Kabukicho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#344 - 2014-03-19 16:13:53 UTC
Cavalira,

First and foremost, i want to state that i don't claim to speak for Core, however as someone who has flown with core and has been part of his alliance for almost a year now. I feel that i maybe able to address some of your questions.

1. Core's type-o's , being as Core is from the Netherlands IE dutch, English is not his first language, so you could look at his grammatical choices as someone who doesn't care or someone cared enough to learn another language, and is willing to use those skills to communicate in the lingua franca, so that his point can reach as maybe people as possible as well as ensure no one has to Google translate dutch.

2. In regards, To Core's skills outside FC'ing, In my opinion, it's Core unique ability to get diverse groups of people with different ideas to work together towards a common goal that makes him a great FC. Now, you could say great we have established that he is a good FC. However, lets take a step back and look the EVE community, is it not a diverse group of people that have many different idea's on where eve should go forward? I think that answer is obvious that it is. Now In Core, you have someone who is passionate enough to stand in the middle of that noise, that clamor of idea's and build bridge where there would otherwise be none. While, Core doesn't claim to have the Technical Expertise of Gorksi Car, or the rubble rousing abilities of Matias Otero, It's Clear that someone has to bind all those unique forces together, an I believe as many others do that Core is that someone.


Lastly, Sorry for the wall of text I hope this helps address some of your questions.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#345 - 2014-03-19 16:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
It's prolly one of the least relevant discussions but since it's already going :can't resist:
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
1. Core's type-o's , being as Core is from the Netherlands IE dutch, English is not his first language, so you could look at his grammatical choices as someone who doesn't care or someone cared enough to learn another language, and is willing to use those skills to communicate in the lingua franca, so that his point can reach as maybe people as possible as well as ensure no one has to Google translate dutch.

That's a ridiculous cop out.
He obviously is able to spell and write correctly if he actually wants to, as shown in his initial post. Unless that's been proofread by someone (Is it?).
And you make it sound like we should be greatful that he learned English to communicate with us. That's nonsense. He is essentially applying for a (volunteer) job that requires English skills in the written and spoken word.

So what is it?
Are his English skills actually on the level of his first post? Then I think he's lazy and disrespectful to potential voters.
Or does he lack sufficient English skills? Then this is a relevant criteria for the voters and his future CSM colleagues.
Peto Kabukicho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#346 - 2014-03-19 19:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Peto Kabukicho
Sephira Galamore,


When, i was typing that i definitely, had your point in mind. I think its more of an issue of holding people to certain standards base on what you perceived those standards to be, as well as not judging someone based solely on what is perceived through forum post. I know i have been in situations where it is hard to convey as much meaning through solely textual communications as i would like and i am sure you have as well. Core is a pretty elegant a well spoken man. However, feel free to interrupt what I wrote as you see fit, if you see it that i was saying " you make it sound like we should be grateful that he learned English to communicate with us" that's a little out there and you know it.

My main point being that as people we have to understand that others come from different back grounds, and while they my not conform with our notions of how this and that should be worded or how responses should be dictated, it still does diminish their message or call in question their intelligence. Anyway, I feel like i've said enough on the Mans behalf, and i do not want to misconstrued my feelings or opinions with Core's actual platform. Feel free to check out his interview on EVE24, i found it pretty informative and perhaps you will as well.
Meta Warrior
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2014-03-19 21:24:16 UTC
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
2. In regards, To Core's skills outside FC'ing, In my opinion, it's Core unique ability to get diverse groups of people with different ideas to work together towards a common goal that makes him a great FC. Now, you could say great we have established that he is a good FC. However, lets take a step back and look the EVE community, is it not a diverse group of people that have many different idea's on where eve should go forward? I think that answer is obvious that it is. Now In Core, you have someone who is passionate enough to stand in the middle of that noise, that clamor of idea's and build bridge where there would otherwise be none. While, Core doesn't claim to have the Technical Expertise of Gorksi Car, or the rubble rousing abilities of Matias Otero, It's Clear that someone has to bind all those unique forces together, an I believe as many others do that Core is that someone.


This is pretty much the point I was trying to make, thanks Peto Kabukicho.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#348 - 2014-03-20 09:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
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See, I came to this thread beeing unsure whether to vote for cores again. "Again", because yes, I voted for him last year.
Last year I already notied his posting style on the forums his thread was also terribly filled with +1s, but that didn't bother me that much really. Last year I didn't know Ali tho, that having changed now I think she'll be able to represent NRDS interests while bringing a year of CSM experience to the table.
This year I listened to cores interview and sadly what stuck the most was that his main intention to run seems to be "I have done everything else in the game". When I came here to ask questions I was met with defensivenes instead of appreciation. I didn't bring the spelling up til someone else did, because I thought it wasn't _that_ relevant. But when it was on the table I chimed in. From the reactions to that and my questions I feel now convinced that cores really does not want votes from outside Provi...
Cavalira
Habemus
#349 - 2014-03-20 17:58:15 UTC
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
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English is my second language as well. It is no excuse. I know dutch people that are way better at english than I am.

The only reason I could ever see this guy get on the CSM, would be because of his CVA-block people carelessly voted for him.

@Cores : What is your view on the crow/condor trend that we see in lowsec?
Skunk Lai
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#350 - 2014-03-20 20:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Skunk Lai
Cavalira wrote:
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
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English is my second language as well. It is no excuse. I know dutch people that are way better at english than I am.

The only reason I could ever see this guy get on the CSM, would be because of his CVA-block people carelessly voted for him.

@Cores : What is your view on the crow/condor trend that we see in lowsec?
I'm not sure you get the whole CSM thing. Sure the CSM need to be able to communicate effectively with the player base and CCP, but I don't think being a bastion of the English language is or should be a consideration. Last time I checked this wasn't an election for Grammar Police Chief.

As for your previous trolling about what does being a good FC has to do with it. FC's in EVE (good ones anyway) know the mechanics of the game. They know how each ship works, what would nerf them and what would boost them. Not only that, they have to communicate precisely and effectively.

Good FC's are charismatic leaders that know how to get results. Why wouldn't you want an FC like Core on the CSM panel?

True, no one is likely to have roamed with all the other FC CSM candidates to distinguish Core above any other. However, Cores morals, philosophy, and enthusiasm to improve EVE go beyond many others.
Cavalira
Habemus
#351 - 2014-03-21 12:38:47 UTC
Skunk Lai wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
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English is my second language as well. It is no excuse. I know dutch people that are way better at english than I am.

The only reason I could ever see this guy get on the CSM, would be because of his CVA-block people carelessly voted for him.

@Cores : What is your view on the crow/condor trend that we see in lowsec?
I'm not sure you get the whole CSM thing. Sure the CSM need to be able to communicate effectively with the player base and CCP, but I don't think being a bastion of the English language is or should be a consideration. Last time I checked this wasn't an election for Grammar Police Chief.

As for your previous trolling about what does being a good FC has to do with it. FC's in EVE (good ones anyway) know the mechanics of the game. They know how each ship works, what would nerf them and what would boost them. Not only that, they have to communicate precisely and effectively.

Good FC's are charismatic leaders that know how to get results. Why wouldn't you want an FC like Core on the CSM panel?

True, no one is likely to have roamed with all the other FC CSM candidates to distinguish Core above any other. However, Cores morals, philosophy, and enthusiasm to improve EVE go beyond many others.


How am I trolling? If this is what you classify as a troll, you're awful.

The entire thing about his written english was all about the low-effort he seemed to put into his posts.
Besides, FCing has nothing to do with knowing more of the mechanics of the game than anyone else; You can easily win fights without knowing much more than your random grunt.
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#352 - 2014-03-22 22:12:51 UTC
weird to read a debate about yourself, focusing around people defending me, wanting to vote for me, and people that do not vote for me and try to find something too pick on. There s no need to defend myself towards it, as its pretty irrelevant to me. I know what i can bring. In my interview on eve 24 i stated alot of other things how i see eve and csm, as well in my original campain thread, and what it requires then a discussion about my spelling, or lack of intrest in it. It is clear what i represent, and its sad to mention that providence members are worse of voting for someone they know and trust, and someone u dont know. the good part is that controversy rattles cages and that wakes people up, resulting in a thighter block vote, so thank u.

thnx provi in advance, cu in csm 9, my app will be in monday!
Iman Melkan
Anoikis Calling
#353 - 2014-03-22 23:02:55 UTC
So what you're saying is, it doesn't matter what your platform or skills are, your bloc will vote you in?

Wow, at least the Goon candidates are trying.
Cavalira
Habemus
#354 - 2014-03-23 01:26:24 UTC
You went for CSM last year as well. I guess the Provi block must've expanded.
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#355 - 2014-03-23 08:02:11 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
You went for CSM last year as well. I guess the Provi block must've expanded.



No,providence had candidates last year, ali and myself, i fell2 places short,we where close too getting 2 people in. Ali doesntl live nor represent provi block any more.
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#356 - 2014-03-23 08:06:08 UTC
Iman Melkan wrote:
So what you're saying is, it doesn't matter what your platform or skills are, your bloc will vote you in?

Wow, at least the Goon candidates are trying.


No that is what trying to make of it. You are trying to find an angle too nail me on something, which is fine, but dont exspect me to respond to it and lower myself too that level. And now u can reply, well u just did and so on. U can listen too my interviews, count the number of people that voluntarily liked and say they are. All wrong, thats fine ofc. In rl snd in game i put poeple togehter, combine. It with years of exsperience and love. For eve, adding. Rl skills as. A it manager on top of it, coping with 4. Small kids. Which is like coping with players often.

And ofc i now really stop correcting typos just cause i can
Cavalira
Habemus
#357 - 2014-03-23 10:58:28 UTC
Oh, but you have never corrected your typos.
You'll probably win because of your blocks votes, but certainly not because of your 'campaign'.

What's your view on the warp speed changes?
June Ting
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#358 - 2014-03-23 13:24:20 UTC
I have a simple question for you:

Do you stand by your comments from your CZ interview last year in which you assert one of the CSM's primary jobs is to help CCP market the game and serve as a public face for the game? How can you reconcile this with the CSM's duty to act as an independent check on CCP?

I fight for the freedom of my people.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#359 - 2014-03-23 13:29:08 UTC
The CSMs sole duty should be to stop bad ideas from ever getting implented or brought to the public's attention.

No trolling please

corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#360 - 2014-03-23 20:00:35 UTC
June Ting wrote:
I have a simple question for you:

Do you stand by your comments from your CZ interview last year in which you assert one of the CSM's primary jobs is to help CCP market the game and serve as a public face for the game? How can you reconcile this with the CSM's duty to act as an independent check on CCP?



june, yes i stated it again this year, its a intrest both ccp and CSM share. besides being player representatives. if noone plays eve, there is nothing too csm about. so i feel that as a shared base of intrest. i dont se it as a conflict. Often critical customers are used to improve a compagny and turn them in their biggets fans, google, net promoter score, fun concept.
I do not fear its getting in the way, havign shared goals helps align, and we all know align makes you warp quicker.!