EVE General Discussion

Except for the fact that there isn't that much lowsec. Its very hard to do any of this content because unlike the vast swathes of empty nulsec, lowsec is a highway from null to high and has lots of people in far fewer systems so you have to really search for a quiet system and then hope it has some of this stuff to actually do.

In FW that's fine because its FW, so you're supposed to always be fighting people, but anywhere else theres plenty of roams looking to probe you down and all you. Lowsec rewards would be fine, but the numbers of people raise the risk to ridiculous proportions. NPC nulsec has similar issues.

I play an average of under 1 hour per day. Wouldn't even notice the difference tbh.

While I agree with some of your sentiments I will point out that nullsec on average does have many more of those PR events than lowsec.

Otoh if we reversed the profitability of the two sectors then lowsec wars will inevitably get much bigger.

And it's a valiant attempt. But really, do you think they would ever go thru with it? Power Projection is what allows HUGE fights. And HUGE fights provide CCP with media exposure and advertising. It's been the core of their marketing for years - "epic battles that matter". They've constantly updated their hardware and programming so there could be bigger and bigger fights. If you reduce the power projection, then players have to work much harder to get those HUGE fights. And since people are lazy, that drastically reduces the likelihood of it happening... "I gotta make how many jumps to get there? Yeeeahhh... I need to go walk my cat or something."

I agree that Power Projection sucks, it makes Null a giant cesspool wasteland, and is detrimental to the long-term health of the game. But I don't think CCP will change it anytime soon. Would be great if they did though.

Except no matter how much you do of the former, if you do any of the latter Tippia and the bittervet gang will be all over you...

I would pay 300 Million ISK per Comet if they had a red/blue flashy light and unique module that made a siren noise when activated.

Luckily, I made a slightly deeper argument than "Please please please, I'll do anything but please!"

The point that I made was that at the moment was the the sov system/power projection combo essentially works by having 2 sides trying to ruin the game for each other, and whichever side succeeds in being slightly better at wrecking the log-in experience of the other will win. Essentially 0.0 gameplay is cannibalistic, and it's eating their subscriber base. And furthermore, even the "winners" aren't happy, they're just not quite unhappy enough to quit. And that level of dissatisfaction means that you have an unstable, volatile customer base that will provide fertile soil for Summers Of Rage, and also one that is very likely to quit the next time a war starts.

Furthermore, a power projection nerf doesn't in and of itself make big fights impossible. The core goal of nerfing PP isn't to stop alliance A going a long distance to fight alliance B. The goal is to stop alliance A also being able to get back home quickly and defend their assets. In other words, to stop people effectively being able to be in 2 places at once (on a timescale of structure timers).

So Alliance A can by all means attack Alliance B in Paragon Soul from their home region in Branch. But they won't be able to defend their territory in Branch while they do so. They will be strongly incentivised to look for fights in Tenal or Deklein instead.

None of that is going to stop space politics happening or coalitions forming. In short, I think we'd still get B-Rs, but we wouldn't see many Asakais. And the "CFC" would be paying for their "B-R" win, because meanwhile "Black Legion" would be joyously rampaging through their capital shipyards and jump bridge network.

On the other hand, there are literally tens of thousands of players who have quit 0.0, or just quit altogether, who might be strongly tempted to return to what would be a more fractured and local 0.0

When we discussed this topic with CCP, pretty much the whole CSM was agreed on this: what virtually everybody in 0.0 wants are 100-300 man battles 3 times a week, rather than 3000 man lagfests once a year. But currently that's simply not possible because of the optimal strategy dictated by the mechanics.


This is high level stuff, and we spent considerable time discussing it. If CCP decide to act according to what we told them, then it's not going to be an overnight change, and considerable groundwork will need to be done (for instance, a PP nerf is by definition a logistics nerf, and 0.0 currently depends utterly on the external supply chains from empire. Thus it must be possible for a 0.0 group to survive on mostly locally produced ships and items, with only the unobtanuim-based items being imported by a greatly diminished external supply chain). And that's just one example. Another is things like skillbook availability for new players in 0.0. And so on.

tl;dr: there's no possible magic wand that CCP can wave overnight to make things better. It's gonna be a bricks and mortar job.

Define "new contend"

Do you just mean "more space" or are you actually after "new things to do"?

On the PVP side, I can't faourite Malcanis' comments in this thread enough. And on a PVE level, though I know it's an eternal refrain, I'd rather see old content fixed than new content added. This game has so many great "idea" features that just really need to be further developed rather than forgotten.

Go back in time and fix COSMOS. Hell, if you don't want to fix it, just drop an entirely new wad of content in its place and call it COSMOS. And what about some more epic arcs? And Storyline missions: here's a great idea, have an internal commitment to add one new storyline mission for each major faction each patch. A new mission is, what, 16 man hours? and it would give people a sense that the "storyline" is actually progressing.

And it's been four years. Maybe like one or two new anomalies for wspace would be good?

A complete overhaul/buff of Faction modules, some improvements to T2 modules and Deadspace medium and large weapons.