Science & Industry

Actually, I think it will be the other way around. No sane individual is going to setup a PI factory planet in an area where they have no control over the tariff (such as lo-sec). In lo-sec, they might pay 0%, they might pay 10% (equal to hi-sec), or if the owner of the POCO gets in a mood, they may suddenly have to pay 100% tariff rates.

Which means that the vast majority of factory planets are going to be done in hi-sec, where you *know* that the tariff will always be 10% setting and you can make your profit estimates accordingly.

(The ability of a POCO owner to charge 10x more then what hi-sec charges in fees is where the POCO concept falls flat. Yes, it will drive player interaction and probably PvP. But it means that a PI factory planet owner has to deal with way too much risk and won't be able to plan their costs. CCP may eventually have to limit the POCOs to charging no more then 30% tariff.)

I've run 5 accounts for the past 3 1/2 years and 3 of those for the past 4 1/2 years.
I've recently let 3 expire and this one goes next week.

I've had my POS for the last 2 1/2 years.
I've always just enjoyed testing and playing and building things from the beginning to completion.
It's been a fun and leisurely past time.

This tax hike and the added manufacturing step for the POS fuel has simply made EVE (For me that) more and more of a tedious monotonous click fest where I have to login to constantly just move small things. (Actually started with PI)
It saddens me to be pulling down my POS after so much time and work but for me the end is near.


The lowsec POCO's are simply another 'moon goo' monopoly in development.
For me it's CCP trying to force me to play the game in a way that I don't enjoy. (So much for the sandbox)
I would have loved to actually see some developments towards making combat more dependent on some real flying tactics or a real 'Smuggler's profession!

I may keep one account just to see where the dust settles. (And NO I'm not making a PUN of the 'ahem' console game. (Not really that is

I've met a handful of friends, (They know who they are) who's company I've enjoyed.

I wish them well.

can i haz your stuff? PI is going to be even more profitable now. depending on how the market adjusts. an individual doing PI in high sec could make even more profit. all the custom offices btw are gone in low and 0.0 right now. hint hint wink wink. what does it take to build these? hrrrm

I saw the last month that the numbers of players decreased, now I expect, with this exorbitant TAX increase, that these numbers of players will continue to fall.

If CCP want a players boost, than it's very unwise to make things more expensive.

Any economist can count on his ten fingers that when people stay away because the game gets less interesting, is not to make the game more difficult or raise up costly (because that will result in even more leaving of players...... witch result in a lower profit for CCP), But to make it more interesting, like (and i must ambit this is a great and wonderful update) the graphics and new vessels.



A Tax raise of 200% (max.) each P-level would be more reasonable, and would be accepted by (i think) most of the players.

I think the PI would be doomed, because not only will leave EVE players, but also a lot of players will drop PI.
This will result in more or less an decrease of Pos'es, POS Fuel and lot's of other Stuff what is needed for the safety spots in Low/Null sec for Corporations

Personal i think, CCP scared off the players, who are more Traders than pvp'ers.
This will be the first group will who not extend there accounts


my 2 €-cents (....... raised in 2002 --- The European players know what i mean wirn this 2002-Raise )

To the people quiting over a simple, boring feature as PI napfest.. buh-bye.

PI was no where near the gold standard motto of 'risk vs reward'.. now it is leaning in that direction, with a fun EVE-twist too. PI actually just got made entertaining, and very beneficial to people that don't even do it and just want wars/fights. I think some of you have no idea the implication that can be brought about under this new system outside of high.. oh well, nvm seriously your loss.

And on a high/low agenda.. all you got to do is readjust your prices. If you aren't making profits doing something in science/industry.. you must be an idiot, or quit doing it.

If it doesn't sink in that you should readjust your POS fuel costs into your final products price you use the POS for.. you must be an idiot, and you should tear down your tower(s).

If these very simple, basic ideas flew right over your head from the very beginning, and you are so enraged over these PIs changes that you want to quit because of them.. you are brilliant for once and doing yourself a grand favor, as this game is not meant for you. So quit.

Some ppl stopping inventions, BPO research and other highsec POS activities will obviously cause a problem with supply when demand will most likely be going up as older players come back after this summer's shitstorm. Ontop of the usual new players surge that hit during the cold winter months for something to try/do. Ontop of new items introduced in this expansion ppl will jump into, stopping their previous works. Guess what.. other ppl will pick up the slack cause there will be profits to be had by those that aren't idiots.

You aren't special coming in here crying about something some of you apparently do not understand.

Adapt and overcome, or simply whither away into nothing. Your wallet can't grow fat if you are nothing, a nobody. Choice is yours.

why arent you guys buying the cheap listed PI on market and relisting it at what is costs to bring to makret with the new tax?

This will also bring market prices in line with the new production price

I cant imagine you arent going to be able to sell your goods for a profit for long.

also, stop moaning and just pass the tax increas on to the customer

Risk = Reward

Hi!

My wallet is pleased.

Fly dangerous o/

0.1 to 10 is not 9.8%
If 100% = 1 than 1000% =10
Base was 1% Tax, riser this with 1000% (increase) it will become 10%Tax
1000% is a multiple of 10
I see it is confusing when using "%" for Tax and the Increase, i should have used The 10 times Multiple

*EDIT
My Example is P1 where the old Tax was 1%, and now 10%


Where do you gain your ISK?? only with PI?
You have to sell it, but others do have to pay, and when they have not the ISK for the huge prices, they wouldn't buy it

That is also my Thoughts, they trying to drive the players to LOW/NULL sec, and there is a security level that a lot of players never liked, and never going to like.... these players will in the end stop playing Eve, and maybe switch to Dust.....



This is hilarious... that is what i this morning told in EVE chat: "First there is Hulkageddon, whats Next: POCOgeddon?"
I gave this player a thought, now he only places POCO's in Alliances dominated systems