EVE General Discussion

That's because they don't. You get yourself all riled up in your mind and believe these things but they are not true. Missioners had an absolutely enormous buff to their efficiency with the introduction of the MTUs This is now a small nerf that most people will barely notice. That is a far cry from ruining the game experience. Take your head out of your ass.

It's not just that. Modules for a long time have been treated like ore. That's not what they are for. Their value should lie in their usefulness, not in their mineral to volume ratio. They've been trying to reduce gun mining for years and have made several changes to affect it, not least of which the drone loot changes. This was an obvious next step.

While true, being able to get at least some value back from a module that you are unable to sell is important, so reducing it to nothing would be problematic for that.

Hopefully, once meta modules are rebalanced, the usefulness of the actual modules will change so more modules will have more value than just as junk. I should imagine that is what CCP will be shooting for.

@Lucas Kell

thank you for constructive answer but there are some contradictions:

"The space itself could never be profitable enough to force people to use it without it breaking the economy. And if it were used a lot more, it would only attract masses of pirates out for easy kills"

"Renters pay isk as the space is more scalable for groups. It's easier for a group to base out of rented space and all profit rather than competing with others over public systems. Remember though that all sov costs isk, whether it's paid to a player or not, so all sov space is rented technically speaking. People that rent off of null groups merely pay a premium for someone else to deal with the high level warfare and the upkeep, as well as whatever other benefits they give (JBs, etc)."

space not profitable enough to force people to use it... so what renters do there? how using the space will breaking economy? are you saying that there is no profit when renting out that space? i understand that renters pay for protection, but that means they have enough profit, do you agree?

these renters are people, legitimate players as i and you, so they can be part of sov owning alliance, no? if they join sov owning alliance that space automatically will be not profitable?

"It's only better if you pay the billions it costs to upgrade a station. It's like 50-80b to upgrade a single station, and at best, it's 6% better than a POS. And the change there is to boost null industry which is in decline and is pretty dire."

if you think 60+b is a lot of isk then look here someone already made nice spreadsheet and your math a bit wrong because new 86+% refine in reality will be 100% (max possible)

"Remember if a null group can refine at a 6% better rate, they will be likely to pay 6% more for ore compressed in hgih sec and shipped down, so high sec players will benefit from their refine rate without refining."

do you really believe it? are we playing the same game? buy as low as you can and sell as high as you can - that is eve market.

You mean encouraging PVP in what is supposed to be the region of Elite PVP is bad? Or does PVP only count when there is a Timer on a Structure and Mittens sends a Jabber Ping out to the CFC? I suppose this explains why CFC space is so empty from Tenal to Period Basis. Or maybe its the massive PASSIVE income generated by MoonGoo that means pilots don't need to be out in space making ISK, because all their stuff is paid for by moons mined automatically by a POS.

There is no risk if you have a security force baby sitting you. Lucas was exactly correct on how you combat a pirate threat thus no risk. Heck even less risk then doing the EXACT same thing in LS, or even HS.

"Hey guys PVP in the PVP region is bad mmkay! Let us mine our moongoo in peace."

Unless the reward is equal to however much you can make in highsec with the combined force of yourself and the people who would have to guard no, no, it's not worth it.

In fact, even then highsec is preferable, because at least that way you're aren't doing something as mind numbingly bored as guard duty.

The reward is equal mining is 272% more Isk/m3 in Null sec than it is in highsec.

Once again commenting on the lack of reward is ridiculous. Nullsec is more isk effective than everything in HS. The only reason people don't do it, is because they do not need to do it. Passive MoonGoo pays their way, they don't need to worry about Isk unless they are plexing their accounts, and said isk is easily earned through the much more isk efficient Ratting/Plexing/Anom running available in Nullsec.

*Snip* Removed off topic text. ISD Ezwal.

I've not done PI either, mostly because of :Efffort: and RL time constraints.

As far as the changes are concerned, I like them. It's been a long time coming and needed change. I also hope it's only just the start of a boost, that low so badly needs.

Where are you getting this 272% number from? Because it's wrong. I't looks like you are basing of of mercoxit which is really dumb, since that's not scalable.

And as for "security", this is a game mate. People shouldn't have to sit around in a PvP **** doing nothing but waiting for PVE players to finish PVEing just in case people arrive, and that's what would happen if any non-concord area of space increased to highsec levels in activity. Doing what null alliances do now, taking more space and spreading out, that is security.