These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Science & Industry

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

POS for a beginner

Author
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#1 - 2014-03-22 02:49:33 UTC
Ok, so I am dabbling with the idea of setting up a small POS to try out a bit of invention. I am totally new to manufacturing and research so just wanted to ask a few basic questions here from you lovely experts!

Firstly, I was just wondering how much it costs currently to run a high sec POS per month.

Secondly, does invention and BPO research make enough isk to cover the costs of running a POS or will this just be an expensive toy for a while? Do you tend to manufacture from you T2 BPCs or do you sell them on? If someone could point me in the direction of a good guide to invention and research I would be really grateful.
Marcus Iunius Brutus
Hoborg Labs
#2 - 2014-03-22 07:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Iunius Brutus
Hi,

I've been running a small POS for 2 months so you can consider me a beginner still.

Straight from my spreadsheet:
Current cost of small Caldari POS with 3 Mobile Labs and 2 Equipment Arrays: 318 M ISK
Current cost of small Caldari POS with 2 Advanced Labs, 1 Mobile Lab and 1 Equipment Array: 354 M ISK
Monthly fuel cost: 129 M ISK

You also need to find an empty moon in 0.5-0.7 sec system with a station in system (to keep BPOs in station).
When I did a full survey around Jita few months ago there were no free moons closer than 7 jumps in Caldari space (but there were some just farther away). And of course your corp needs high faction standings to anchor POS.
For faction standings I took an alt, first exchanged tags for standings and later did COSMOS missions buying almost every required mission item form contracts. Few missions that involved shooting I did by fleeting with my main in BC. It took one weekend to get above 7.0 standings with Caldari.
This alt set up a corp, anchored a POS and rest of the alts joined.

Money comes from things you cannot do (efficiently) without a POS in high sec:
- manufacturing researched T1 BPOs (also in POS manufacturing is 33% faster),
- inventing T2 BPCs from T1 BPCs you copied in your POS.

I use manufacturing arrays in a POS for T1 production, I also copy/invent in a POS and produce T2 items in a station afterwards.
Profits with T2 are decent but prepare for a lot of clicking, a lot...

And of course your POS is defenceless so try to not be a target:
- don't take last free moon in a system,
- keep BPOs in a station.
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#3 - 2014-03-22 08:54:56 UTC
Thanks for that really helpful and insightful reply Marcus. Pretty much covers what I need to get going. Can I ask is there any reason to choose a Caldari tower over any other race? Also, is there any reason to choose an advanced lab over a normal and what are the equipment arrays used for?
Carrie Sol Invictus
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-03-22 09:26:39 UTC
Caldari towers provide the most CPU.

The difference between normal and advanced labs is the different types / amounts of slots.
Just check the market to see what each lab provides.

Equipment arrays are used to actually build stuff. I personally don't use them cause the station i'm based out of has plenty of slots and i don't really need the added speed the arrays provide for now.

As for your initial questions.
I research and sell T1 BPOs when my second alt has spare room and that pretty much pays for the fuel of the POS.
So the lab time for copying / invention is virtually free.

I manufacture all my T2 BPCs because why give up the profit when you can just build it in a station Lol

Eve Uni has a nice class on T2 production. It's an old class but it's worth listening to.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Class_library#Industry
And if you prefer reading
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tech-2_Production,_First_Steps

Good Luck!
Marcus Iunius Brutus
Hoborg Labs
#5 - 2014-03-22 09:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Iunius Brutus
Caldari towers have most CPU and that's what laboratories use the most.
Small Caldari tower lets you run 3 labs and 1 or 2 assembly arrays.
Assembly arrays are used for manufacturing, equipment array is for modules and rigs (there are different for components, drones, ammo, ships, ...)

Mobile laboratory gives you 1 copy, 5 invention, 3 ME, 3 PE slots.
Adv laboratory gives you 3 copy, 2 invention, 2 ME slots - no PE and copy slots are faster than in mobile lab.

From what I understand (as quite a beginner still) it all depends on what you are going to invent and manufacture.
Advanced lab is the best for long copy jobs - max run module BPC, making BPCs of well researched T1 BPOs for sale.
1 copy slot in Mobile Lab is enough for example for rig BPCs because you invent from 1-run copies and these are very quick to do.

You can do some calculations in the beginning or later you'll can see what is a bottleneck of your process.
If it is copying than you can replace 1 mobile lab with adv lab.

EDIT: ninja'd :)
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#6 - 2014-03-22 10:32:07 UTC
Thank you both for your replies. Just what I was looking for. Now to do some reading :)
Sir Gankal0t
5th Element Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
#7 - 2014-03-22 11:14:13 UTC
Just a few more addons, Expand your horizon to other trade hubs as well also there are compleet services for corp building standings and even buy pos spots.
Altough people wanted always be in the neighborhood of jita there are more area's where you can make a decent amount of isk.
bear in mind that near Jita is a bit more of a hassle to do your things. For example there are a lot more gankers active (not me LoL) more competition etc. lower prices and you have to Compete with the traders and play the penny game.

GL

Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#8 - 2014-03-22 13:14:41 UTC
Orionos Irvam wrote:
Ok, so I am dabbling with the idea of setting up a small POS to try out a bit of invention. I am totally new to manufacturing and research so just wanted to ask a few basic questions here from you lovely experts!

Firstly, I was just wondering how much it costs currently to run a high sec POS per month.

Secondly, does invention and BPO research make enough isk to cover the costs of running a POS or will this just be an expensive toy for a while? Do you tend to manufacture from you T2 BPCs or do you sell them on? If someone could point me in the direction of a good guide to invention and research I would be really grateful.


1) The current fuel block prices are around 15k per block. A small pos consumes 10 blocks per hour, so you're facing about 108m ISK per 30 days. or 150k isk per hour, which isn't that much, if you use spare CPU to do some manufacturing.

2) It depends on whether you use your pos for pure research or do at least some manufacturing. For pure research you will have to cover the costs somehow, e.g. selling your researched BPOs. There are some that actually seem quite profitable. As for invention, I haven't tried to sell the T2 bpcs I invent, I manufacture them myself at the pos (except for T2 ships, those are better build in a station).

You can use this online tool to play around with different setups and find the one that suits you best. If you plan to keep your pos for a longer period or upgrade to a bigger one, you might also consider getting a faction tower. Those consume less fuel blocks, only thing is they are quite expensive (at least the caldari faction towers, as those have the most cpu, which is what most people go for).


Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#9 - 2014-03-22 15:46:33 UTC
Great...thanks for all the help! Much appreciated.

I have one last question. I now have my personal, unmodified standings at 5.07 for the faction who's space I want to anchor my POS in. I have just looked at my corp standings and this is at 4.73. This is a one man corp, and there has been a DT after I reached the necessary personal standings. Anyone know why my personal standings and corp standings aren't the same? I thought that the corp standings were an average of the constituent member standings.

Thanks again for all the help
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-03-22 18:22:43 UTC
Orionos Irvam wrote:
Great...thanks for all the help! Much appreciated.

I have one last question. I now have my personal, unmodified standings at 5.07 for the faction who's space I want to anchor my POS in. I have just looked at my corp standings and this is at 4.73. This is a one man corp, and there has been a DT after I reached the necessary personal standings. Anyone know why my personal standings and corp standings aren't the same? I thought that the corp standings were an average of the constituent member standings.

Thanks again for all the help

Standings are cached. Flush your cache.
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#11 - 2014-03-22 18:51:01 UTC
Thanks for that. I flushed them earlier but suppose I have to wait for the next DT to reflect this. Oh well.
Jita Realtor
Star Light Inc.
#12 - 2014-03-25 01:41:41 UTC
Hey
Try a few helpful tools
http://my-pos.software.informer.com/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/eveiph/

I SellĀ  Anchored POS+Moon Location+Corp, Bundles 2 - 5 Jumps from Jita

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3980502#post3980502&_ga=1.255220232.1412349113.1360951531