EVE General Discussion

Its a roughly 30% reduction to base reprocessing amount. The most you can get at max is 55% of the value of minerals in an item. So yes it will affect ALL items that can be reprocessed.

It is a direct nerf to reprocessing. I suggest you go read the dev blog again.



Its not hard.

Drop MTU Sort by Value take anything worth your time scoop MTU back to cargo leave the rest. Not sure how intense you think looting is.

I didn't say anything about Market value and neither did he, he said mineral value.

…which doesn't preclude you from also going for scrap refining, and since more minerals is better than less minerals, that's all the rationale you need to train the skill.

You are trying to make the case that it's rational to want less instead of more.

Yes it is. You loot to get the good stuff. Separating the wheat from the chaff takes far more effort (and yields less cash) than just clicking “loot all” → apply filter → refine, so with the good stuff, you also get the “bad” stuff, which you want to transform into something that is effortless to put on the market (read: turn into minerals). Again, more minerals is better than less minerals, and more profit is better than less profit, so that's all the rationale you need to get the junk loot as well.

You are trying to make the case that it's rational to make less, for more effort, rather than more for less effort.

…which is something completely different from the base mineral value. Moreover, the reprocessed value is completely irrelevant to the value of produced items since the value there depends on the actual base content, which does not change.

If producing Gizmo A requires 100 units, and it refines into 50 units, will a rational manufacturer or trader then:
A) Price it at a value corresponding to 100 units of trit + manufacturing costs + markup?
2) Price it at a value corresponding to 50 units of trit?
iii) Laugh when you try to claim that it's not worth more than 50 units of trit?
∆) Make huge oodles of cash from people selling it at a loss for less than the value of 100 units of trit?

You are trying to make the case that it's rational to sell stuff at a loss.

It would then still be worth the production cost, as demonstrated by the multitude of items that exhibit this exact property.

OK so situation 1:
I open a wreck, It has just the loot I want. I click loot all.

Situation 2:
I open a wreck, it has all the loot I want and some junk loot. I click loot all.

How is that any different?

And again, stop talking about the reprocess value f ALL loot, since you shouldn't be reprocessing ALL loot. If you are then these changes are the least of your problems.

So a reprocessor just mindlessly reprocesses everything in your mind? Even if it's got order for twice it's reprocess value, they only reprocess it?

Wrong. Not only have we explained this, it's on the bloody dev blog.

Nope and nope, in roughly that order.

At the moment for meta 1 and 2 and some of meta 3, yes. But they are due to balance out meta items and make them more useful.

The obvious solution (For missioners) here is to cease the dropping of loot in missions and do something to make Salvaging a complex and unique system :-)

*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

I see the remarks and they are cool, but things don't happen because you put a remark. They happen with tangible solutions done about it.
In example, they could forbid *warping* (the technology is already here) to 1.0 sec mining fields to Orcas and freighters so that new players are not gang-*aped since their first day in EvE. Similar concept for highest available sec ice fields.

The latter are expecially more sensitive, because a new player can just move 2-3 systems away and find roids, but (valuable) ice fields are on 4h timers and go all dry in 40 minutes. Less with multi-boxers with freighters, 3-4 logistics + maxed orca boosts.

Addition to my reply to Baltec1


On the contrary, a rational approach to game balance (including this expansion) would be totally different.

a) Slowly phase out unnatural, "fake smelling" factors like Concord etc. etc. outside of starter systems and slowly transform EvE into a true sandbox experience. With mechanics to still favor solo / less "hard core" game play in the Empires. Possibly human driven ones (i.e. players based Concord or similar. With "honor points" that reward "Concord players" who honor their job, don't get bribed into "looking away" and so on ).

Since a) is too ambitious for the current CCP and probably for the playerbase (null sec "I am forced to play alts in hi sec" players at FIRST spot):

b) Implement a concept of True Risk vs True Reward. Aka "risk sec". Low sec POSes and NPC / soc null sec backwater systems should not yield the same reprocessing efficiency than riskier places.

c) The danger scale would not be the current one. It would be:

1) WHs (maybe make the kind of star also affect the risk sec). In particular hi sec connected ones, C6 (they require commitment and team play).

2) Non backwater NPC null sec without a station in the nearest 2 jumps. Non backwater low sec.

3) Not backwater Sov null sec systems.

4) Other WHs.

5) Backwater low sec and null sec

6) 0.5 sec systems, at POS

7) Less and less reward for higher sec.

"Reward" would be anoms, missions (ofc PvE stuff only where applicable), roids (pretty well implemented already) and also reprocessing.

A corp dealing with:

- Having to team play a lot and often (that is, no slack allowed).

- Having to deal with the harshest logistics

- Having to deal with complete absence of free intel tools (local chat).

- Having to setup their own cap fleet all in a restricted and unforgiving place.

- Having to live at a POS for their whole life. With all the crap this involves in the day by day routine (yeah I have ugly memories!)


should definitely get the best of everything, including reprocessing / refining.



What CCP are doing right now, instead, reeks of agenda-driven CSM, multi-all-media propaganda and so on, to favor a class of players who are NOT in the riskiest position and should take their spot in the line after more risk-taking players get their benefits first.

Refining junk is already the lowest isk earner in missions, this nerf is not going to impact anyone badly because you earn more just blitzing. The people who ship trit around as 425s arnt even going to miss it thanks to the compressing changes.

Its not even 5% of income to mission runners who do loot everything.