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An idea to buy back lost skill points
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c0mmand3r
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-22 03:52:13 UTC
I started playing eve in 2004,i was very much involved in the game for a few years, I even got my wife to start playing it too,
but due to circumstances me and my wife separated, i stopped playing eve, i returned a few times but found it hard to stay with the game as it was something me and my wife, ex wife did together..i have recently returned to eve in the last year but
am very disappointed, not with the game, with the fact that I have a ten year old character, but not ten years worth of training skills, so with that it gave me an idea that you might consider in the future, the opportunity for people with similar story's to mine to be able to buy back some of them skill points, but this shouldn't be open to just anyone, for example , someone who joined the game last month cant just buy skill points, and become a seasoned player over night, i think that would cause up row in the game with players who have worked hard over the years to get there skills up, or someone who played for a month, left for 2 years, come back and decided to buy skill points to get there character up to date,i think this opportunity should only be open to reasonable seasoned players who had played the game for a while and have at least 2-3 years of training skills already under there belt and probably helped pay a wage to a member of ccp over the years. This could be called the veteran buy back opportunity....im not saying that these players would get all there skill points back, i mean my char is ten years old after all, , but the opportunity to be able to get some of them back would be grate, and it might also make ccp some money :)

thank you for listening
[:lol:
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#2 - 2014-03-22 04:12:38 UTC
No. There are so many reason why, most of which you won't know or understand as a returning player, but let's just put it this way.

The idea of letting people buy SP to boost a char in just about any form is by far absolute MOST hated idea commonly floated on the forums.

It's just no. I'm not going to launch a huge explanation, but you have a better chance of getting permission to have a wet t-shirt contest in a Jerusalem synagogue than you have of convincing the eve playerbase to let this happen.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-03-22 05:18:22 UTC
No to this idea. I feel for ya man... but the answer is still no. It's a Pandora's Box that, once opened, will upset the current balance with regards to skills.

That said... just because you don't have much in the way is skills (and skillpoints) it does not mean you can't go out and have fun.
True... you can't fly "super-uber-Tech-infinity" ship that you drool over... nor will it be advisable for you to take on a veteran in a head-to-head match up... but not having skillpoints does mean a few things:

- you are expendable. This is actually a good thing. It means you can hop in a cheap ship and die over and over again without many consequences (especially if you can find a person or corporation that will sponsor you). And unlike other games, "zerg rushing" your enemy can eventually wear down your opponent and kill him/her. You just need friends to compensate.

- you learn how to work with what you have. Not having access to the "best gear" means you have to use a tool that no game can provide; your brain. If you can't fight in an even match, fight dirty. Using Electronic Warfare to "throw dirt" in his/her face and close the gap in effectiveness between you and him/her.
If you can't match your opponent militarily, try economically.
If you can't do that, do some guerrilla warfare and hit them where/when they least expect it.
If you can't do any of the above, use diplomacy and subterfuge (i.e. find people who hate him/her and hit where it hurts).

How did you Veterans start?
Claud Tiberius
#4 - 2014-03-22 06:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Claud Tiberius
I don't think the above two understood what you are proposing because they seem to be going on about god knows what.


Your argument goes: A player is entitled to have the option to buy SP for their character, if their character is very old and also has very few SP. And I assume there is a limit to how much can be bought.

It doesn't really effect other players - It's not paying to win, because the character would have trained those skills, if it was active.

But that is the problem. Your idea is bypassing a key element of skill points and that is game time - or: playing the game.

I believe, and probably most other players, that playing the game (paying the monthly fee and adding skills to your que, as well as playing the game) should be a fundamental requirement in getting skills We should not reward inactivity and diminish the rewards in activity.

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#5 - 2014-03-22 07:12:29 UTC
Claud Tiberius wrote:


It doesn't really effect other players - It's not paying to win, because the character would have trained those skills, if it was active.



It is paying to win because there is always a flavor of the month skill. Also for example, when the marauder change happened, you could have the bastion mode skill to level 5 on the first day.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Tribe O' Brute
Lightning Strikes Thrice
#6 - 2014-03-22 14:31:14 UTC
Don't think it will ever happen, and for good reasons. Skill points are the only thing you can't buy in EVE and thus rewards the old and loyal players.

Also from a business standpoint it’s not going to happen I think. At first it looks like a nice PLEX sink for CCP. But when you think about it, it's not. At this moment a lot of people probably keep their subscription active for training purposes with the thought of getting regrets if they don't. These people would stop their subscription if there was a possibility to buy back later. And not all people would buy back because of lost interest, etc.

And even if you would implement it. A year worth of skill points should cost substantially more than 12 PLEX. Else it would upset the community.
crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
#7 - 2014-03-22 14:39:15 UTC
No, it wont happen.

Just buy a char if you want more skill points.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#8 - 2014-03-22 16:36:07 UTC
crazy0146 wrote:
No, it wont happen.

Just buy a char if you want more skill points.



This.

Sell your old character based upon the value of it's SP. Take the money that you would have been willing to spend on this SP buyback program and buy plex. Sell the plex for ISK. Buy a new character with more SP with your new wealth from the character sale and the plex sale. Continue playing Eve with a more highly skilled character.

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Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-03-22 17:23:22 UTC
I have the same on my other character. I must admit; I'm not happy with it either. I wish I would have kept the character training. Of course I would like what you're suggesting, but realistically it won't happen. I've made peace with that. :)
c0mmand3r
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-22 17:52:16 UTC
I understand and appreciate peoples input in this matter,
but I also see people saying it would change the game to much and how it works. Back in the day there wasn't mining barges, there wasn't strip minors, and there wasn't a grate many ways for a player to turn real money into isk, mining for a battleship was like trying to eat soup with a fork lol, it was painfully slow, but once you had it , the feeling was like buying a new car, so to loose one wasn't good, hence the eve vids of people smashing there computers up haha...Everyone was the same, everyone had to work for what they had, and then along came plex, a game changer, its given new players the ability to not put in any hard work and to practically have billions over night, so lets say that this idea was on the forums before it became real, im sure there would of been a massive debate on how people had put in the time, the effort, the dedication to make isk when other people can now do it in seconds, im not saying plex is bad, but it was a major game changer...

so lets say that the ability to buy back say a years worth of skill points at the same price as what a years subscription would be and only for people who had played for a few years before leaving for a year, would this be any more of a game changer than the plex?

thanx for listening Lol
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#11 - 2014-03-22 17:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DrysonBennington
Its a good idea because it does unbalance the balance of the ENVIRONMENT not the game. Calling Eve-Online a game is like calling it something that one would do inside of a crib.

The balance of the environment needs to be unbalanced every so often so that when the Teeter-Totter seat lifts high into the air and its rider is thumped that a new lower echelon of change will occur that will one day become the rider that is thumped again.
and so forth.

I think a pilot should be allowed to buy back a certain amount of skill points lost.

For every 1 million total skill points lost the pilot could pay $10.00 to have them replaced.

A pilot could even pay a larger fee within a certain time frame to level their skill points to a certain level which would be similar to using a Sleeper Advanced Communication Network to greatly increase the learning of skills.

When a rookie creates a new capsuleer they would have a month to skill level their character up to five million skill points in any skill they wanted for an additional fee of $19.95.

Once the month ended the pilot would never be able to use the skill leveling service again.

Unbalancing a good balance always creates a new balance.

Sorry to hear about your situation....have you checked into the ex-wife capsule ejection system? They are rather inexpensive. You gotta laugh now and stop making yourself a target for every grierfer in the Universe.