EVE General Discussion

Sov null is there for control yes. The current state is an interesting patchwork of balance of power, political agreements, diplomacy etc, which is actually the desired outcome for the game designers, and is not really feasible with NPC null.

Renting is the phase that follows the space vacuum caused by the reduction in individual moon value, and thus the desire to extract isk from the space around those moons, instead of having it as buffer space. It is not in itself an entirely static scenario, because the whole time I and other CEOs are out here, we are learning what does and doesn't work economically in null and we are far more likely to be able to create the future backbone of a new alliance with the knowledge we now possess. The CFC itself has many potential fracture lines, just as there is an obvious potential fracture line in the N3 / PL coalition.

Raising sov bills will increase desire to rent to offset bills until you get to the point where sov bills make it uneconomic to either hold or rent space, at which point the population will collapse, and it will make sense for nobody to hold any space, and the entire meta game around sov null collapses.

Like or not, what happens in lowsec and in NPC nullsec is just not as interesting, nor as inspiring to outsiders who don't play as sov null is.

1. Make Friends
2. find your ballz and come take our space
3. or whine about it on a NPC alt while mission running it with the rest of the autistic plebs

What exactly is the problem?

You've got him all figured out. Cause you know, joining the blob is so complex and hard.

You mean people put effort into maintaining their control, and it requires the work of many thousands of players with trillions in assets?


Well golly gee, I guess we should try and stop them doing that.

So your complaining people have rental empires and in the same page complain you can't do anything against it because that would require effort to do so.

You do see you just complimented them for achieving such a rental empire right ?

Problem is its not being fought over its being given freely by CCP to the major coalitions who barely have to fight for it once they take it. Likely a result of the CSM being given freely by CCP to the major alliances.

CCP has pretty set it up so their m8's win EvE regardless of what anyone else does in game.

This pretty much says it all. Its not being fought over because there's not really anyone left to fight. There are fights but theyr'e not ongoing wars they're a battle here and a battle there.

The system was designed and setup up with the help of EvE Players who were from sov null.

The system is set up to ensure that anyone that thinks they have a chance at taking sov off the big coalitions must turn up at the big coalitions primary play time and be smashed. There is no other way to take sov. Its an artificial system that ONLY favors the the coalitions. The coalitions don't even have to gather their own intel, they're emailed by the server with the information so no sneaky guerrilla attacks either.

The so called wars are funded by the suckers who pay the coalitions to rent systems they would be able to take themselves had the failed system of timers and pre-arranged battlegrounds not been implemented.

The CSM is set up in the exactly the same way. Its the exact duplicate of sov. If you or I put our hand up when it came to voting day we would be smashed by the big coalitions who dominate the CSM, have done and will do until the system is designed fairly.

Ironically the chair of the CSM is also the same person who worked on the sov mechanics, head of Pandemic Legion, and the CSM is almost exclusively made up of null sec coalitions.

If you think there's no serious nepotism type of thing going on here you're fooling yourself.

Before I go I want to just point out that I am not personally attacking Seleene, I have read their posts since 2003 on the forums and they've always been pretty well spoken and decent. But you cannot have a fair game when the masters and the slaves are mingling to the extent they are. You get T20 type behavior and you also get hidden bias creeping into the system.

Wow, so many people who have missed the point.

The issue with Null sec has very little to do with large coalitions but the fact that there are many systems which are simply not worth fighting for.

Example, go to scalding pass on dotlan and you will see that RA owns sov. They do not live there any more but the space is that bad that nobody can be bothered to grind the systems.

You can see this in many other constellations.

When the space is that bad why fight for it? Why spend 10's even 100's of billions of isk fighting for something where you will never recover that isk back.

Whilst the move to by CCP to reduce the ATM of Eve (moongoo) was welcome it also removed a conflict driver and they didn't replace it.

So now for alliances to continue with SRP and paying the bills renting is the best option. Now you will say that they should be targeting each other renters, why should they?

Much like real life politics they make agreements to allow them to continue to fight, members to have fun all without stopping each side create isk.

You don't like this then complain to CCP as they created the walls to the sandbox, not the players

No, the way to win Sov is to ensure that 37,000 character alliances have pressing reasons to NOT turn up to contest your timers.

ie

guns.
politics.
spies.
opportunism.

etc.