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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2011-11-30 05:43:02 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Miss President wrote:
The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.

I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.

Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"

Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.

Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.

The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.

I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.

I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.

Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.


Yeah, I get a very "amateurish" feel to the game now. Might sound stupid but I don't even like the new nebula backgrounds. They aren't very smooth and look poor in quality. The font makes it even worse.


everything is worse with NEWFONT

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#302 - 2011-11-30 05:44:12 UTC
Lumadane wrote:
This is just my opinion, but the new font is terrible. My ammo counters are hardly readable now at 1920x1080 resolution on a 24" monitor.


just one of the many issues with NEWFONT -- NEWFONT is the worrstfont!

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#303 - 2011-11-30 05:46:06 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
I guess what most of us would like to hear is this isn't the final result, and they are working to improve it asap.
Those of us effected by this font, who are subject to the very real headaches it gives.. proberly would like to also hear it will be fixed before summer, not just soon... :p i love eve too much to quit over a stupid font...

Main problems, its too big... its too wide, it doesn't even fit in the ui as you say it does (look at ammo number under guns), its forcing the ui to actually have less space than before unless you scale by 90%.

Old font had few letters and numbers that were hard to tell apart, but this is kinda worse until you make it scale better :p... just acknowledge you see the problems we are shoving in your faces, and you plan to improve it :D and im sure many of us will be happy


what I would like to hear is that we can use the OLDFONT, and never ever use the NEWFONT again.


for me ODLFONT wasn't broken, and in fact is something i've very much enjoyed using for 8+ years on several accounts! I am fine with options for folks that don't like it, but GIMME BACK MY DAM OLDFONT please.

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#304 - 2011-11-30 05:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
First it's crying and stomping feet over no ship spinning and being forced to identify with a human being. Now you don't like the font. Get out of EVE.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#305 - 2011-11-30 05:47:28 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.


Then start working on a new font tbh. Scaled back to 90% it looks OK'ish (though terrible in window tabs as shrinks beyond readability and all CAPITALS was much better there). But scaling the font back to 90% leaves the icons in the overview AND SPACE all distorted.
The final straw for me was looking at how many torps i had in my bomber only to see "1 132".
I mean guys, start with the OLD FONT and rectify the couple of issues that people (other than me) had with it rather than introducing possibly the ugliest font in any game for the last 2 decades. Thanks.



On a different note, the nice anti-aliased map in system view looks absolutely ******* horrific.




Gimme OLDFONT or gimme unsubs.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2011-11-30 05:49:25 UTC
Miss President wrote:
After my first post, I have to say that the new font makes me not want to play eve. It's such a turn away.

It make me dizzy, because it's hard to read and requires constant refocusing. What took a fraction of second to read before now takes a full second to just start reading. Reading is completely counter intuitive. Now takes into mind that each area of interface is at different font size, different scale and different spacing - making it seem like you're reading 10 different fonts - all of which suck.

Our mind can briefly glance at something with normal fonts and get the message, with new font I don't find it possible.






Aye It makes me sick to see something so horrid, ugly, and stupid splased everywhere in the beloved eve. poor eve, what have they done to you... RETURN THE OLDFONT!

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#307 - 2011-11-30 05:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Tippia wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I didnt say i couldnt recreate it. I just said that to do so i would end up with distorted icons, a compromise. Also, text in window tabs, ammo counters and various other places becomes too small and horrible to read.

http://clip2net.com/s/1mmgY
Ok. If you say so… I don't see that as “too small and horrible to read”. You're getting, what? 90:ish PPI on your display, which is at least in the ballpark (actually slightly bigger pixels) of the 108 I get. So of the two of us, I should be the one who's having a hard time with those numbers, and the simple fact is that I don't.

Yes, we're deep into subjective territory here, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it out to be.


You dont have your UI scaled to 90% though. Do so and tell me the window tab text looks even remotely acceptable. Tell me that the icons are ok being distorted. If i had the resolution you have i doubt i would use UI scaling (though the font would still look gash), but i dont since i have to have 2 monitors which leaves me with 1 option, 90% scaling, hard to read text text in places due to use of many different sizes of fonts around the screen (where it was fine with the old font) and distorted icons.

This is not progress. Saying its ok on a single very high res screen doesnt do anything for anyone who is having to scale the UI down to get the same on their screen as they were a day ago.

Its not hard fella. Well it is for you somehow.
Eben Harper
Doomheim
#308 - 2011-11-30 05:52:17 UTC
I for one like the new font, thank you CCP. Shocked
Jessie Kenan
Doomheim
#309 - 2011-11-30 05:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie Kenan
I think we can agree that most of the people not liking the new font are people playing in low-medium resolutions. It looks stretched vertically when you set it to 90%, which you have to because otherwise everything is too big.

All (most) of the saying the font is good are playing at high resolutions. So unless you play at low-medium res @ 90%, your opinion on this particular complaint is pretty irrelevant. Just like empire dwellers commenting on a complaint regarding wormhole space.

Edit: CCP did a pretty awesome job overall for this expansion. I guess for me it's a minor complaint, not going to 'ransom one of my alt's sub'.
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2011-11-30 05:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Green Thorn
Think our contrasting points have been made.

In the Blue corner we have Tippia who smells of biscuits and damp.. and something else. She has friends or something.

In the Red corner we have the rest of us... us players who go out and and do stuff; not tap at the keys whilst dribbling onto a mat inside stations, wondering which end to insert first.

You decide...............Attention

PS Ris Dnalor - stop posting spam for likes!!
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#311 - 2011-11-30 05:52:50 UTC
Vera Godspiel wrote:


To the opposers of this new font; I've yet to hear an actual valid argument why it is bad. The only one that makes a little bit of sense is that it doesn't (really) fit the game. I do prefer to be able to read easy over a cool scifi font that is unreadable. And there isn't really an option that does both.


What's your definition of 'valid' it's different from mine.



Mine arguement for why it's bad:

"Eve is a beautiful game. The font pervades every aspect of eve. The new font is fuducking ugly. In fact ugly doesn't even begin to describe it. It's also not genre-appropriate. Look at it! IT could fit nicely into GARFIELD - ONLINE perhaps, but not eve. It's like someone taught a 3-fingered monkey to print letters, fed him a bunch of sugar, caffiene, and possibly heroin, then let him loose with a crayon all over fudcking eve!!

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#312 - 2011-11-30 05:53:38 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[The problem with giving you the choice is that they most likely have to completely rewrite the windowing and UI element system to account for the different text flows and UI element positioning such an option will create.


And this is what I am paying them to do. If they can't do it right, then they should not have done it at all.

The new font is terrible.



down with NEWFONT,

up with OLDFONT

or better yet, give us FONT-OPTIONS

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2011-11-30 05:55:04 UTC
Vachir Khan wrote:
The EVE forum just had a few good posters, this thread proves that one of them didn't actually belong on that list and is thus removed from it.

Actual good posters left: Malcanis, akita T and possibly 1 or 2 others.


GOODPOSTERS left because of NEWFONT ?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#314 - 2011-11-30 05:55:11 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
[You dont have your UI scaled to 90% though.
Yes I do.
Quote:
If i had the resolution you have i doubt i would use UI scaling
Heh. Trust me, it works almost exactly the other way around: the more resolution you have the more you're jonseing for moar(!!) real-estate. Twisted
Quote:
Its not hard fella.
No, it is indeed not hard: I have the same down-scaling you do on top of having smaller pixels, and I am also not having the issues you're having… so why are you?

Providing more options to fit more scenarios is progress.
Fixing some very glaring and very old readability issues is progress.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#315 - 2011-11-30 05:56:21 UTC
Woo Doggy wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Vera Godspiel wrote:

To the opposers of this new font; I've yet to hear an actual valid argument why it is bad.


It's not a fixed width font. Looks bad in multiple columns like angular / radial / velocity in overview.

The font spacing is messed up. I'm looking at my overview in 100% atm and an angular of 0.097 has the seven actually touching the nine.

At 100% default UI scaling the font is larger than the old one. Who would have thought that increasing the size of a font would make it more readable. To see the same amount of information in windows now takes up more screen real estate at 100%.

If I lower it to 90% the overview text is perfect. Context font size can be adjusted no probs. Headers are now too small, item counts are too small, ammo count on modules is now too small. All icons on overview and in space are now too faint.

Just a few valid arguments off the top of my head.


Exactly. The issue isn't the font. It's the UI scaling that is messed up.


no, the issue IS the font, it's terrendous!

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#316 - 2011-11-30 05:56:30 UTC
Jessie Kenan wrote:
I think we can agree that most of the people not liking the new font are people playing in low-medium resolutions. It looks stretched vertically when you set it to 90%, which you have to because otherwise everything is too big.

All (most) of the saying the font is good are playing at high resolutions. So unless you play at low-medium res @ 90%, your opinion on this particular complaint is pretty irrelevant. Just like empire dwellers commenting on a complaint regarding wormhole space.


I say the font is hideous and the UI scaling required to fit the same on screen that i did yesterday ruins other important parts of the UI.

I have 2x24 inch1080p 120hz screens which last time i check was still considered pretty high resolution.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2011-11-30 05:57:24 UTC
J Random wrote:
Nothing constructive to add other than the new font is horrible. I'm not quite sure what it is but the pixelation / aliasing seems off. First I was forced to turn anti-aliasing on (was off and the font was unreadable) but even on high something just isn't working.

I don't think it's the choice of font that is the problem, I think it's a rendering issue.

PS: What I really want is monotype. I like fixed width fonts for displaying tactical information

Edit: Def an issue also with rendering some of the old graphics. For example if I open up a L4 agent and have a mish v. let's say Amarr (at 90% UI) I can't even make out the empire / faction graphics (and I'm on a 1920x1080 23" screen)


no... the font is awful, though you are 100% correct about fixed-width. OLDFONT worked great for that eh?

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2011-11-30 05:58:23 UTC
Veriasse Valence wrote:
The longer I spend with this new... font..... the more I hate it. The numbers in my wallet look completely out of whack, its no longer possible to quickly scan it. The spacings are uneven, the commas miniscule, and the numbers seem to float almost each by itself. Just terrible.

I never had trouble with previous font, and now not only do I feel like I entered some weird EVE-version of a lame powerpoint but I no longer have the comfort of my nice clean wallet, its looks muddled at best.


NEWFONT IS EVIL, and should be nuked from orbit.

I also never had trouble with the oldfont. The wallet is a big issue, so are any of the other "spreadsheets" in eve.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#319 - 2011-11-30 05:59:10 UTC
Crexa wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
flank steak wrote:
wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors?


Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason.


QFT. From both of you.



And they recieved MULTIPLE responses to the quality or lack there of. At least from me they did.


and multiple from me as well.

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XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#320 - 2011-11-30 05:59:25 UTC
I complained earlier, but then I turned down the UI scaling to 90% and decreased the font size by one in every chat window.

Now it's pretty awesome, actually. 90% scaled UI + font size -1 = sweet spot.