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What ship to use for missions?

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Banesliver
#1 - 2014-03-21 07:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Banesliver
Mostly looking to make some isk through solo missions. I don't have much time to play, so its this and my manufacturing alt.

Last time I played was 9 months ago and I was in null sec with TEST, and since they collapsed Im in JITA and I do not have a ship.

So I am looking for a fit for level 2/3/4 missions.

I have experience with a drake, naga, and have looked into a Tengu, but seeing as I have no income at the moment and while I could afford a cheap Tengu fit, I wouldn't be able to replace it.

Any assistance is GREATLY welcome, as I don't have a corp to call home yet.

edit; http://eveboard.com/pilot/Banesliver
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-03-21 08:03:49 UTC
i'd go with a cheap ass drake and grind some isk until I have enough to get a battleship or T3 that can be replaced.

I am personaly pretty happy with a typhoon for Amarr LVL4s

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Banesliver
#3 - 2014-03-21 08:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Banesliver
Ah, I mainly fly Caldari, although i have the command skills for all races.

What type of fit, does it even matter? Just throw some missile launchers on it?

I could probably afford a navy drake.
Blitz Apollo
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-03-21 11:04:44 UTC
Decent fit Drake would easily clear any L3 and even some L4's chap.

If you can fly Caldari and have the relevant missile skills personally I would look at clearing L3's in a Drake until you are confident again, then look at getting a Raven for L4's. Once again get confident clearing those, then look at getting a Raven Navy Issue or if you have the Drone skills, a Rattlesnake.
Banesliver
#5 - 2014-03-21 11:11:01 UTC
What is your opinion on Raven vs Tengu?

I'm interested in Wormholes later on, would either of those ships serve fine?

Although a part of my question is that I think the Tengu looks cooler.

Fits are way more expensive, if I recall correctly.
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#6 - 2014-03-21 14:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
A good skilled raven will outperform a Tengu for L4s, but since you are lacking the T2 CMs and a lot of support skills that vastly improve CM performance compared to HMs, the Tengu or drake would be probably the better choice for now. The navy Drake is in general a faster Drake with more range, that is not so limited to kinetic damage, at the expense of some tank. It was mostly inspired by the old nano drakes, used by some pvp corps, when they introduced them, but since it can select the damage type like the raven, it could be actually be worth the price for pve to in your case, but then again for just 200M more you can already use a T2 fitted Tengu. The Tengu is pretty much a upgrade over a nighthawk/drake what still uses heavy missiles, providing a very powerful tank, high speed, good range and quick warp speed without losing dps over it. It is probably your best bang for the buck with your current skill set(you should however work on the support system skills for the ship, bringing them to 4 first). Or if you want to save some isk for now, just go with a drake that can be as cheap as 60-70M fully fitted and rigged and can be fairly effective as long as you use 3-4 BCUs and don't passive tank it.

As for WH the Tengu is much better for wormholes, since it got the lower mass, lower signature, higher speed and much better tank than the Raven.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#7 - 2014-03-21 14:35:36 UTC
Since isk is an issue, a Drake.
Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2014-03-21 15:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Banesliver wrote:
Ah, I mainly fly Caldari, although i have the command skills for all races.

What type of fit, does it even matter? Just throw some missile launchers on it?

I could probably afford a navy drake.


Get an SNI, have fun. Smile If you can't do cruise and drones, spend a bit more on a Navy Drake and rock the heavies.

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Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#9 - 2014-03-21 17:35:52 UTC
Banesliver wrote:
What is your opinion on Raven vs Tengu?

I'm interested in Wormholes later on, would either of those ships serve fine?

Although a part of my question is that I think the Tengu looks cooler.

Fits are way more expensive, if I recall correctly.


Don't bother with a raven. Tengu does all you need and is currently the king ship for wormholes.

Buy a tengu fit hams and start running missions for sisters of eve. Since you probably wont have any standings it will give you a chance to gain some easy isk and get comfortable with the tengu. Once 5.0 standings start to blitz level 4 missions for SoE (decline the bullshit ones like blockade) as you make more isk upgrade your bcus to navy, your shield booster to dead space and your implants.

All said and done with a 500-700mil tengu and decent skills you can easily pull in 100mil/hour semi afk blitzing.

I'll be on later if you want to shoot me a mail or message and i can help get you started.
Ruareve
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-21 20:36:10 UTC
Banesliver wrote:
What is your opinion on Raven vs Tengu?

I'm interested in Wormholes later on, would either of those ships serve fine?

Although a part of my question is that I think the Tengu looks cooler.

Fits are way more expensive, if I recall correctly.


Tengu >> Raven for solo missions. And I would never take a Raven into a WH.

If you are looking for a missile boat to just run missions then I'd go Drake -> Scorpion Navy Issue. Better tank than a Raven with relatively the same DPS. When solo I place more importance on tank over DPS.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#11 - 2014-03-21 20:40:33 UTC
You can WH in a drake. It can solo C3 sites and is easy as hell to keep alive anywhere else.

Raven's are also ok in a WH - remember if you're farming a static for isk there are mass limitations. You can probably get away with bringing 3-6 battleships through most statics, but they are easy to get rolled out of a whole if you willfully ignore mass.

Any T3 is really the meta in W-space. However, don't violate the 'if I can't afford to lose it' guideline...
Banesliver
#12 - 2014-03-21 21:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Banesliver
Would any of you guys know a fit for said Drake? I'd be interested in a Navy Drake as well.

What would a 500-700m tengu fit look like?

And my last question would be what skills should I get to improve my Tengu-ability?

I'm interested in keeping it all written down so I can work my way from the drake to the tengu, but I am afraid my skills won't let me pilot the tengu properly.

I'm sitting on about 850m isk, with zero income, as I said before.
Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#13 - 2014-03-21 23:47:59 UTC
Banesliver wrote:
Would any of you guys know a fit for said Drake? I'd be interested in a Navy Drake as well.

What would a 500-700m tengu fit look like?

And my last question would be what skills should I get to improve my Tengu-ability?

I'm interested in keeping it all written down so I can work my way from the drake to the tengu, but I am afraid my skills won't let me pilot the tengu properly.

I'm sitting on about 850m isk, with zero income, as I said before.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/63935-Tengu-L4-HAM-over-1k-dps-with-implants.html#loadout

This is a good fit but too much pimp for my liking. You should start with T2 bcus that knocks 300m off, b or c shield booster knocks another 50m off, use a meta 4 or t2 afterburner to save another 50m, t2 the hardeners to save another 50m.

Eventually add the navy bcus when you can afford it and upgrade to the a type booster if you want, should be around 600-700m depending on how much you pimp.

I would also suggest dropping one of the bcus for a damage control unit (at least to start with), when you're comfortable swap it back to a bcu. Also swap one of the target painters for a web it helps so much more vs frigs then a second tp.

For your skills; if you plan on flying a drake first get you t2 hams and level 4 ham spec, then all tengu subsystems to 5.
If you want to go straight to the tengu put on t1 hams and get your subsystems to 4 asap then get t2 hams
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#14 - 2014-03-22 18:16:26 UTC
it's worth pointing out though that a ferox is a really good mission ship for those level 3's if you don't have really good missile skills. A drake properly skilled and using T2 missiles will clear virtually all level 4's without too much difficulty but you need around about 5 mill sp in missiles to get the best out of it.

The ferox is a nice alternative, fun to fly, can be passive shield tanked and with the right ammo can kite nicely at range and blap the rats whilst still remaining effective. It's probably not good enough to solo most L4's though as it isn't quite as tanky as the drake.

I mention it though because it's even cheaper than a drake and a nice change. It's a bit of an unsung hero when it comes to mission running, but an all round good ship.

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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-22 20:32:41 UTC
You said you have command skill, does that mean you can fly the Nighthawk?

It would be an option for a better Drake, that is not as expensive as a Tengu and less likely to be ganked.

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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#16 - 2014-03-22 21:48:58 UTC
Try to think outside of the box. I mean like think inside trash can..... typhoon, fleet issue maybe.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-03-22 23:06:52 UTC
A Typhoon is not the better option, compared to a raven.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#18 - 2014-03-23 04:08:31 UTC
The navy scorpion should be your first goal for real isk per hour doing L4's.

Do what ever you got to in the mean time to make that happen.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-03-23 17:24:07 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The navy scorpion should be your first goal for real isk per hour doing L4's.

Do what ever you got to in the mean time to make that happen.


sry i dont think so, raven and scorp navy do same paper dps but raven navy puts it to better use.
Tengu might be a good mission blitzer choice but with a proper raven navy (ok t2 cm) i can equal the isk/h rate with not blitzing in most cases.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-03-23 20:21:50 UTC
Just as long as you dont factor in E-War.

The Navy Raven has the better ship bonus for damage projection but the navy scorp can fit at least 2 extra electronic warfare modules compared to the navy raven and still have the same tank and DPS.

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