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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#301 - 2014-03-21 19:40:41 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:


A) Not everyone has enough time in a block to effectively blitz missions.


If you dont have time to blitz missions in minutes you will not have time to do a single mission that takes 20-30 min.
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:

B) If no one (or even just very, very few people) looted missions, those components from the mission loot and salvage would... become much more rare. That would (via supply and demand) cause their value to rise; especially those modules that are already in demand such as meta 3 and 4 damage controls, most forms of meta 4 EWAR modules, and some other ones.

So you wont be refining them will you?
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:

C) Simultaneously, if everyone blitzed missions all the time, there would be a lot more loyalty point stuff on the market and thus its price would fall.


Most already do blitz missions.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#302 - 2014-03-21 19:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
baltec1 wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
A) Not everyone has enough time in a block to effectively blitz missions.
If you dont have time to blitz missions in minutes you will not have time to do a single mission that takes 20-30 min.
"What are you doing?"

"Reading a load of books, but not knowing what it is"

"Why's that?"

"Don't have time to read titles!"

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ashley Eoner
#303 - 2014-03-21 19:44:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Not only that but it further rewards the blitzers lol
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2014-03-21 19:45:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Not really no. For every change there is more and more evidence that what is good for the game is not something everyone can agree on.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#305 - 2014-03-21 19:55:07 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Not really no. For every change there is more and more evidence that what is good for the game is not something everyone can agree on.


You can replace the words "high sec" in the sentences I bolded with N3/PL, and it's precisely the same thing everyone else was telling them during the war.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#306 - 2014-03-21 20:03:27 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.


difference is unlike the highsec-identifying forums crazies blubbing about nullsec he put effort into making a reasonable argument on a subject he actually has knowledge on and experience with and got it published

the 'drones don't cause extra lag' bit was silly though
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2014-03-21 20:07:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can replace the words "high sec" in the sentences I bolded with N3/PL, and it's precisely the same thing everyone else was telling them during the war.
And relevantly, he was free to disagree and had reasoning for doing so. You don't agree with a number of people on what is best for the game, but they may well be just as sure of their positions as you are about unrestricted drone assist.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#308 - 2014-03-21 20:09:10 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Not really no. For every change there is more and more evidence that what is good for the game is not something everyone can agree on.


Sorry, I think you are a tad confused there. This assault is not good for the game, but very good for null sec, again.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2014-03-21 20:11:34 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Sorry

if you were sorry, you'd stop posting this garbage
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#310 - 2014-03-21 20:12:24 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Sorry, I think you are a tad confused there. This assault is not good for the game, but very good for null sec, again.


So why do you think you should get the same rewards for less risk, less isk spent and less risk?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#311 - 2014-03-21 20:13:52 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Not really no. For every change there is more and more evidence that what is good for the game is not something everyone can agree on.


Sorry, I think you are a tad confused there. This assault is not good for the game, but very good for null sec, again.

I'm still waiting on that math explaining your magic 45% nerf.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#312 - 2014-03-21 20:16:33 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can replace the words "high sec" in the sentences I bolded with N3/PL, and it's precisely the same thing everyone else was telling them during the war.
And relevantly, he was free to disagree and had reasoning for doing so. You don't agree with a number of people on what is best for the game, but they may well be just as sure of their positions as you are about unrestricted drone assist.


Nope.

This instance, and Dinsdale's crying now, are both just someone trying to hold onto their golden goose.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#313 - 2014-03-21 20:22:09 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


*Snip*

Supporting changes has nothing to do with a narrative or wanting to hurt high sec and everything with wanting to make the game better. If thats unacceptable to you that in the overall attempt to make the game better your particular playstyle has to change a bit, well, tough ****. Our playstyles change near constantly because the game gets changed for the better, welcome to the life of every other player in EVE.


Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Not really no. For every change there is more and more evidence that what is good for the game is not something everyone can agree on.


Sorry, I think you are a tad confused there. This assault is not good for the game, but very good for null sec, again.

I'm still waiting on that math explaining your magic 45% nerf.


Maybe you should read the dev blog before posting then.
I had to reread it to realize it was not a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot, but a 45%-50% nerf.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2014-03-21 20:26:20 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Or they could all sell the modules to one player with those skills.

Like the large majority of them do anyway


Malcanis, you bust the tinfoil too quickly. I was hoping for a threadnaught of uninformed frothing rageTwisted



Looks like dreams do come true. The raging threadnaught is alive and I am committing quote-ception.


Don't stop the tears! I Brought my cupLol

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#315 - 2014-03-21 20:26:47 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Maybe you should read the dev blog before posting then.
I had to reread it to realize it was not a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot, but a 45%-50% nerf.


But its not a nerf to all mission loot. Its only the stuff not worth selling which makes up 3.7% of the total earning from your average level 4 which is 1.3% lower than the nerf null sec just saw to anom income.

You were all in favour of that nerf.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2014-03-21 20:27:16 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can replace the words "high sec" in the sentences I bolded with N3/PL, and it's precisely the same thing everyone else was telling them during the war.
And relevantly, he was free to disagree and had reasoning for doing so. You don't agree with a number of people on what is best for the game, but they may well be just as sure of their positions as you are about unrestricted drone assist.


Nope.

This instance, and Dinsdale's crying now, are both just someone trying to hold onto their golden goose.

Dunno, after reading grath's article and posts on the subject, I'm inclined to believe otherwise in his case, but I can certainly say accusations of crying aren't doing much to sway me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#317 - 2014-03-21 20:29:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can replace the words "high sec" in the sentences I bolded with N3/PL, and it's precisely the same thing everyone else was telling them during the war.
And relevantly, he was free to disagree and had reasoning for doing so. You don't agree with a number of people on what is best for the game, but they may well be just as sure of their positions as you are about unrestricted drone assist.


Nope.

This instance, and Dinsdale's crying now, are both just someone trying to hold onto their golden goose.

Dunno, after reading grath's article and posts on the subject, I'm inclined to believe otherwise in his case, but I can certainly say accusations of crying aren't doing much to sway me.


It wasn't aimed at you. If you can't see the hilarious hypocrisy of it... then you weren't the target audience.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#318 - 2014-03-21 20:31:03 UTC
Yes, because it's so hard to make money in EVE.....

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#319 - 2014-03-21 20:33:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Maybe you should read the dev blog before posting then.
I had to reread it to realize it was not a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot, but a 45%-50% nerf.
But its not all mission loot, its only some of it. So a flat 45% reduction to income it is not. A 45% reduction to the loot that's low enough in value that the only option is to reprocess.

To be honest i don't know why people still respond to your tinfoil battery. It's always well into the realm of exaggeration.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#320 - 2014-03-21 20:40:37 UTC
Now we need a "firesale" button that sells everything to the current station's highest buy order without asking for any confirmation everything you have currently selected in the current window. Because all those piles of different items are pissing me off. I don't care if someone is making market ass-hatterry and I get a bit less money total, I just want less clicks.