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That is exactly my perception of you and Tippia also.

Now kindly let me leave and you can have your way unabated.

... Everywhere?
Do you really not know how to get a 100% refine rate? You barely need SP invested to do it. You'll actually have to train refining skill while already above perfect refine just to use T2 mining crystals.

The best part of all of this is that the best income levels from missions involve no looting at all.

Ok then I and my friend who does it often must be missing something.

Ive never seen a 100% return of materials from any object, and the only "perfect" result Ive seen is a zero wastage and zero commission reprocess at stations where you have high standings, unless thats what you mean, rather than a 100% return on the materials used to make it?

I have done all of the above plus mined in every sec plus have had 118 PI planets including factories planets.

Your (and not just yours) talk is easily proved biased by one simple consideration: WHs are riskier than sov null sec yet NOBODY of your opinion has mentioned they should get better refine than any null sec.

Why? Self interest much?

You really must be doing it wrong, and that's not even a troll. You need to find any station with a base 50% refine (Any station in Amarr for example, and hundreds of others all over high sec). You then need 6.67 standing with the corporation that owns the station, including connections, so a bunch of missions and connections 4 takes you no time at all, can be done inside a day (connections maybe slightly longer but that applies retroactively anyway as it's a static boost to your standing). That takes care of tax.

Then you just need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 4, and the specific ore skill of 1. At that point you are perfect refine in any 50% station owned by that corp.

EDIT: Oh and for your final point, the 100% refine is independent of tax. I imagine the tax rules will still apply on top of the refine yield even once the changes go in. The only way to reduce tax in an NPC station is to increase standings.

You are clearly mathematically challenged.
Under optimal conditions, every salvager/ reprocessor just received a 45%, nerf to their income.
And guess what, loot is far far from a "small percentage of mission income".

Propagandists keep throwing around lies trivializing loot, but that is part of the campaign.
If you get enough people lying the same lie, repeatedly, eventually many will believe it.

What the **** is wrong with you? You won't let me walk away and leave you to have your way?

You keep claiming that I ignored your "good points" as an excuse to keep pulling me back into this.. I will therefore now address them under the implicit understanding that thereafter you leave me out of this, as I have already several times stated I have no wish to remain in this discussion.


Reprocessing wreck loot is and was a "real" profession. Whether you think so or not is not relevant to that. Nobody has disputed that the players who bring that loot to market make more ISK from blitzing. This is also true of Combat Signature runners. But the loot on the wrecks is a core component of those activities that though unremarkable uptil now, is even further reduced after the proposed change.


The "mining point of view" is ****ing months outdated. What miners had to go through then has no bearing on the current status quo. The situation is different today, and it is on todays situation that changes are to be decided. Otherwise its like saying "Look at it from the Jews perspective 50 yrs ago". Who fking cares. Its not relevant to this day and age, and the decisions at hand. If anything consideration of miners point of view back then, supports the contention that this change makes trash reprocessors an extinct species in a very similar way that mission loot threatened miners back then. Which collapses your argument and supports the opposition.



Nobody is disputing that 100% reprocessing was silly. If you think that, you are barking up the wrong tree and have completely misunderstood the nature of the contention here. Infact the primary abusers of that 100% reprocessing rate, are the null sec entities who used it to transport minerals in the form of 425mms as low volume units into null for perfect refinement into their constituent minerals. This is no longer necessary or the case in the proposed changes, again which are NOT in dispute in this thread or by myself.



You contradict yourself. You speak of "speaking objectively" and then disqualify that by identifying yourself as brand new. Then you somehow try to argue that as some sort of justification for your view that "the way it will work is balanced", whereas that is no basis or proof of the "the way it will work" being balanced whatsoever. Makes no goddam sense. Following that comes the false assumption that I generate my isk from reprocessing, and the false accusation that I am therefore not objective.

I mean you had the outrageous audacity to twice claim I am not objective, first by claiming I am "generating my isk through reprocessing and am therefore self-interested and not objective" and once I said I do not, you then converted your argument to say that "you are not even involved in the generation of isk reprocessing, and therefore not self-interested and therefore not objective" and then you expect ME to believe that you are speaking objectively, based on the fact you are a new player, and that I should accept your view that "the way it will work is balanced" based on that? Circular logic. Utterly.

There. Now you have your "response to your good points". That is what you wanted.

I however, do not want your response to these.
I want you to let me walk away from this discussion without being incessantly forced back by aspersions thrown at my back.

You can have "your" way.

I do not wish to continue this discussion and would thank you kindly to not address me again.
Go ahead and discuss with someone else but leave me out of it.

They don't invest 60 billion in upgrades or have to deal with taking on enemy fleets involving tens of trillions of isk in defence of said stations.

I have flown extensively in all types of space. No place in the game is more challenging to survive in than a wormhole (assuming one is actually doing something other than sitting cloaked in a safe).

WH space is null with no local and no safe place to dock. There is no 250 man fleet of supers and support ready to cyno in to save your POS either.

Don't even try to claim null is anywhere close to WH space.