Science & Industry

That would actually be very bad if they decide to constantly update the base price based on the market price. The market will price in the tax, meaning prices will go up. Then if they set the base to the new price, and then tax on top of that again, the price will go up to reflect the tax again, set base, price raises, new base, raises again. That would guarantee that the price of the products would continually and rapidly rise.

Didn't forget it, just clearly stated it was for a factory planet.

CCP... if you don't want to lower the price of Customs Office tax... please lower the price of Command Center launch so that that difference mean something... so that we can have a little bigger profit for much more trouble...

wow just tried to export some of my hi sec robotics, saw the cost and came here to see what was up. It's not worth the trouble at all with the new tax rate. PI was a pain in the ass but it paid, now its barely profitable. Hope this was a mistake otherwise PI in high sec is pretty much dead...

I have just updated my PI profit calculator with the new tax rates and such. However, I haven't verified the taxes I saw on sisi two days ago and today. Any PI product will need to rise way up in costs because of these new tax rates. way up as in like, woah.

I'm also seeing about 1000% increases across the board in import and export taxes.

I plan to pass that along to whomever buys my stuffsa

I really would'nt mind this if the donut eating Concord pukes would actually blast someone before they gank me while mining, but I cant really count on that now can i?

No, Im not mad bro
No you cant has my stuffs
No you cant pet my lolz cat

What I would like is some stabilization in market before I go throw my PI into the mix.

For now, I too am sitting on everything I make until the Eve Economist comes out of his fricking Icelandic fog and figures out how to rectumfy this volcanic CCP mess.

Also while I am whining, please fix the Loz and HW consumption for Towers and fricking hamster pellets some Dev hemped up on ash decided was a good idea.

( Really? did you guys have the napkin upside down when you were coding after a hard night at the pub)?

On a good note, the Noobuleas and pretty stars look nice and I likes AP to a station ( thats cool)

and +1 for the font , us old farts like it.

Overall I would say a good expansion, but some ideas implemented need some tweaking.

Bob, the problem is that new players will be scared off by the fact that a single day's production costs more then their ships to export and takes days to sell off at seller's prices, and they take a loss at buy order prices.

And P2 isn't possible in lowsec due to the 500m3 limit on launches. You'd have to launch every hour to keep up.

Effectively this is going to bring quite a large amount of T2 production to a halt due ot the increase in cost of doing business, until the players start screaming about the rising cost of T2 heading back to what it was in the bad old days when a handful of people held a monopoly on it.

I've compared the old taxes to the new ones. the minimum increase was 270%, and that was for the highest tier.

Here's the old taxes per unit for export:
P0: 0.1
P1: 0.76
P2: 9.0
P3: 600.0
P4: 50000.0

and here's the new taxes per unit for export at 10%:
P0: 0.5
P1: 50.0
P2: 900.0
P3: 7000.0
P4: 135000.0

So the new ones(at 10%) compared to the old, its really:
P0: 500%*old
P1: 6579%*old
P2: 10000%*old
P3: 1167%*old
P4: 270%*old


These increases will be interesting to watch. This'll increase the cost of new POS's, then trickle down to moon goo, then T2 stuff. I foresee lots of complaints.

Well, it all depends on how exactly the market adjusts. We do not know how much influence hi sec will have on the prices as opposed to null/wh which can operate for cheaper. We also do not have a sense for how the taxes wil adjust as the market averages change.

This will also impact new players heavily since it impacts the barrier to entry. Launch costs of a few thousand ISK are easy for newbies to play with.. launch costs in the high hundres or even millions, up front, can be a big deal for people without much buffer yet.

And let us not forget that this will probably reduce or wipe out factory planets in high sec, while not a horrible thing decreases the variety of types, which is sad.

For the short term, till we see how the new equations behave, we really do not know where or if the market will stabilize, or if that possible point of equilibrium is something that is good for the whole player-base (as opposed to null alliances)

ATM I don't do PI to sell, I do it to supply a couple of towers, so in a way it doesn't affect me that way, it just means I've got to run a few missions every so often to top up the wallet.
I've not re-done my spreadsheet yet to take the new changes into consideration, but the main thing I can see is the fact that the old way, fees were fixed, and if I get it correctly, the new system, fees are based on the market value? which market, which value (buy orders or sell orders, or a complete average of everything on the market?) cos that's going to be a pain in the ar$e to work out.

Yet another shaft in the side of the industry guys, yeah I know put your prices up, the market will adapt, but surely if the prices go up for all materials, won't the fees?

I'll admit to not reading much of the dev blogs since I don't sell the stuff, I didn't think it affected me that much, how wrong I was

Guess that's my reading for tonight, try work out what figures to put in my spreadsheet, and whether it's worth continuing with the towers for the increased cost or not. atm I produce plenty of stuff to keep the towers going, and build a little stockpile, but I'm going to have to look at it and see if it's worth it.