EVE General Discussion

nerf?
If there is less minerals on market, price will rise accordingly to nerfed mineral influx -> in the long term nothing will change at all.

On the opposite, the silly module compression is nerfed and perfect refining skills finally get some purpose, which is a huge win IMO.

As a result of this extraneous change, every non-ice/ore refinable in the item gets a net nerf in base value due to the reduced efficiency of minerals you can get out of them.

Anyone who potentially profits from bringing in loot from wrecks is negatively affected by this, as are the non-ice/ore reprocessors who make their trade off what they bring in.

You would have to be insane or stupid to skill into non-ore/ice refining after this change, because all you will get for that is a market with less materials on hand to refine and a further reduced profit from doing so. Compare this to instead skilling for ice/ore refining, where you will instead have a market full of materials from which refine at better yields.

The change is categorically stupid and superfluous. It doesnt "fix" anything, and instead kills the non-ore/ice refinement profession as well as unnecessarily reducing the trash yield both as pure ISK on market as well as for personal use from refinement into minerals for your own manufacture processes.

It has no justification or explanation and all its ramifications result in a negative outcome for professions that where already only marginally benefitting from it. The profits where already so low that most mission/rat/plex runners didn't even bother bringing that trash back out of the wrecks. And the only thing keeping even that trash at any value, was the willingness of reprocessors to make a small profit from them. Post change, that will all collapse, for no rational or justified reason.

Dinsdale hypocrisy, best hypocrisy.

When we were discussing the 5% nerf that came bundled with the disastrous ESS thing, what did you (and very many other high sec zealots) say about that I wonder?

Oh yea, I remember now, it was "CCP has the numbers", meaning that CCPs has access to the data that shows them that null (and only null) bounties needed that 5% nerf.

So Dinsdale, did CCP suddenly , magically lose those same numbers whenever it comes to balancing things that affect high sec?

I'm sorry that a plain statement of the facts sounds sarcastic. If my characterisation of the consequences sounds hyperbolic, why don't you level the same criticism at the people who are saying similar things with genuine sincerity

Not that I disagree with the changes; in fact, I think they'll end up doing good in the long run, but your comment above is just baseless rhetoric. Because a mission runner chooses to loot his missions and bypass 'blitzing' does not mean he's mission running wrong.

It does not work like that.

In EvE your ECMs are still working past 10 years because in EvE we don't get gear reset. Otherwise they'd get over-abundant and obsolete by the next 3 weeks as well.

But that's just because those ECMs are never replaced not because they are inherently good / long standing by their own, as you seem to imply.

Also, WoW follows another gear, loot and economy strategy so your side by side comparison is not meaningful. WoW enforces gear reset, that does not make the drops inherently bad, they just come with an expiration date.

What you do get in other games is the "awesome" moment. Yes maybe in 3 months the same item that gives you awe today will be junk, but emotively speaking the developers gratified you today. And in 3 months there will be something else to awe you again.

In EvE "general" and even "blue" drops have never been all that fantastic but they were useful in the form of materials. This aspect is being eroded since several years. In the beginning and for some years I campaigned myself to stop having L4 missioneers out-mine miners but that does not mean this nerf spree has to continue forever.


What I can see - and be worried about - is that we are slowly assisting to a "space divide".

You either find a way in the "Just and Good Guys" which usually means Goons or another super-huge null sec corp or you are doomed to be a piece of rubbish whose only reason to exist is to pay a sub, with NOTHING else given back.

Whereas nullsec needed rebalance since a long while, the stigma, hatred and distain shown for years towards those who don't want to conform to the One Thought is unbearable.

What I expecially feel is, that EvE is moving towards a theme park, where you are MEANT and FORCED to follow a guided path. From level 1 missions that really reward nothing at all to doing some mining-quasi-botting to some "was good" L4 and then slowly advance at a nerfed rate.
Or you can go the Politically Correct, White man way and immediately join the guided, rosy path to Where You Are Meant To Go Next and end up being a rich null sec citizen.

All you had to do was to give up on freedom of choice. What somebody still considers the most priceless value.

It does if his goal is to make the most isk in the least amount of time. If his goal is to build stuff, or gain standings for other reasons, or just for fun because he likes to see what kind of loot he can get out of mission wrecks, then clearing and salvaging/looting are fine.

If he's running missions for isk, intentionally lowering his isk/hr is the exact opposite of what he should be doing, better known as 'doing it wrong'.

It's not just missions, people do that across the board. I had a buddy I used to run anomalies and complexes with a few years ago. I'd chain anoms as fast as i could, for the isk from bounties but also because each site has a chance to escalate of produce a commander spawn. He'd do a couple, come back, loot and salvage with the same character, the reship and do some more.

We were both doing anoms to fund our pvp, he struggled to keep up with his loses, I didn't because I'd get escalation and though most of those sites didn't drop much, every once in a while you get a super drop (3+ bil one time from a DED 6/10). At the end of the day i spent less time having to do PVe and more time shooting at real people. He wasn't committing a crime doing things the way he was, he was just picking a sub-optimal way of doing it.

Sub-Optimal way of doing things, aka "doing it wrong" lol.

See above.

No, it has been answered quite a few times now.

Please, sincerely, link me to where that has happened.

Ill wire you 10mil for your effort if the reference does indeed answer the question as thanks for the help.

Again, see above. Getting 100% back from what's been produced is a moronic mechanic and obsoletes existing mechanics that are supposed to provide the same functionality.