Wormholes

Personally, and this could be ridiculous, but I would see that rigs could be removed if specific additions to individual subsystems were added to compensate the different setup. I can't elaborate in specific numbers or details since I'm at work right now (always reading the forums at work). As in some subsystems go more towards armor, some to shield, some to other "rig" comparable bonuses, depending on what you setup for determines your tank.

Having 3 (not set in stone) specific roles, or specializations, per T3 platform would give the overall customization that you talked about in your article Proclus. I think it could work as long as the T3 variants didn't out perform (even at half effectiveness) the T2 specialized ships in regards to their single abilities. And more details would have to be worked out per module/race of T3's to ensure that a "super" T3 doesn't come out on top of all the others (since that wouldn't help anything in regards to versatility overall).

I am not particularly an expert at theory crafting the specific roles each T3 would be capable on, but I would love to hear others' ideas on some combinations that could be possible. But this could also lead into players coming up with some overpowering combinations, and that's not what we all need either. Everything needs to have a counter in EVE, it's the PVP way.

Yeah, about the rep ability of a kronos would be what it needs to be to survive a half decent gang.

To the active tanked debate:
Local rep doesn't scale, and it breaks when touching the - in wormholes - very popular neutlegions/ashimmus/bhaalgorns. The basic advantage of remote repping is the ability to fit more gank, more ewar, more tackle, usually also a better dps/resists ratio.
The big issue afterall being that local rep doesn't scale. From my experience, examples:

100mn tengu, barely actual tank, but works as T3s are goddamn slow and the little sustained rep does things. When solo, you need over 3 minutes though to even get through a moving loki, and It once took me so long to work down a proteus (my tengufit got about 710dps using rage for orientation) that that guy could log in alts in geddons, RR-prots and phoons.
Also, moves at up to 2.4km/s cold and tanks 300/450dps depending on wether dualweb or /w invuln.

2rep/3rep-hyperion, barely moving, extremely vulnerable to blobbing. Yet again my experiences mostly boil down to flying a linked hype against usual minigangs, like 2 guards, ecmgu + bunch of T3s and damnations, or against 10ish neuting droneboats. Needless to say both simply don't work out as your time on field is severely limited, while theirs is not. Even assuming I would've had backup, it wouldn't have changed a bit, as the remotetanks for the hostile gang just been way to big to overcome anywhere soon.
Also, tanks 2.8k burst with LAR+LAAR or 3.9 with 2LAR+LAAR with standard exile. Cap Boosters are a hard limit though.

Triplerep-Eos, doesn't move, provides links and 500dps to your gang. Is a very fine ship with a (atleast mine are around) ~3.5k dps tank. Miss a repcycle cause one of your CBs just goes into reload and you're dead, to one volley of each 2x legion, 2x proteus, 2x drake and a navy phoon.
Tanks 3.6k burst with MAAR+2MAR and standard exile.

Double-XL-ASB-sleip, had great success with that one, but again mostly cause people don't know what to do. Smart people logged in alts with falcons and just jammed the **** out of me to not die, else the acceptable velocity and absurd dps-output make it *viable*, not only because you do not lose SP - unlike a ASB-Tengu for example. And don't try to go into a wh-brawl with actual shieldboosters, ASB is pretty much the only working thing here <.<
Booster reps for ~7k ehp each cycle (ghettocrystals + standard blue pill), or around 1.5k sustained on each. Could be wrong though, I fly the same sleipfit for over a year and only added a third gyro with the last rebalance. EFT'ing this one I can barely recall anymore.

And so on.
In any case, your paltry selfrep just isn't going to last in a wormholebrawl, no chance this concept will ever work with current mechanics. On the other hand, you simply can't change it so it works within those limits without totally screwing solo/smallgang. Even now, T3s go beyond 2k-tanks very easily, their active tanks are actually the strongest in the game bested only by marauders and sometimes claymores, there is no room to enhance that even further.

Yet alone suggesting local repped brawlers in wormholes is a terribly uninformed joke. It works when you're better than the opposition by a significant margin, or if they are braindead (though apparently a lot of zombies around). Else they'll melt you like butter in a pan which happens when you meet decent groups like navy lobsters, desert pirates or protean concept.



Please don't compare HACs to T3s and start using CS for that instead. Know why? Buffer, effective turrets, mobility, capacitor capacity, the Warfare Processor, it all just cries *Command Ship* to me atleast. But don't know.
Maybe people believe that a loki is rather similiar to a vagabond then a sleipnir, even though loki+sleip got same tank, mobility differing by some 15%, near identical hardpoints etc., whereas the loki vs. vaga is more like a 40% difference in mobility, 30% dps-advantage for the loki, and two times the buffertank - if not more <.<

I don't even see a problem here. People are more than fine with countering dreads by taking out their support in the form of webs, why are people opposed to countering buffer t3's by taking their support which is the logi? None of these three are boats that work on their own in fleet fights, and for each of them there's perfectly viable tactics ranging from sheer dps to ecm to neuts to damps and so on and so on.

The logi picks up range to avoid close range dps and still repair their boats from that distance? Kill their targeting, targeting range or volley them off with the dreads or a combination of all three. The dps gets up close and personal with your logi, break their chain and melt them with your own dps. Their dreads blap your subcaps one by one, kill their webbers or break their locks.... Literally every single tactic has a counter, all you have to do is be aware of what the opponent is doing and react to it. You brought just the logi and dps brawlers without any neuts or ewar? Enjoy the loss, for it's your own damn fault at that point.

Only thing wrong is the useless subs. Outside that the only thing worth considering about changing is the rig issue. Anything else and you'd kill the t3's by making them useless. If they're not any better than ship x, then people will use that ship. Versatile or not, makes no difference.

I don't think they can make active tanking viable for large scale encounters without completely screwing the pooch on smaller gang fights. And as someone who loves to local tank, it saddens me

Thing is, let's say you fly a 2rep-hamlegion (~1.9k ehp/s, ~35k ehp) or a trimarked hamlegion (~130k ehp) to such a fight. In both cases you'll have to deal with say 2 Brutix, a Deimos, a sabre and a Drake. Since you'll go some 250m/s webbed by them all at once, but only mildly neuted, you can sustain reps regarding cap.
So considering that you're moving, they'll maybe apply some 2.2k dps to you, and you decide to take down the sabre, then a brutix, then another brutix and see what's left by then. The trimarked one will die after a minute or two, the active one will keep on reparing, negating near all damage yet starting to bleed structure after about two or three minutes, given it can kill the sabre or even the brutix by then - it might even get to a tank-able level. Everything is a rough guesstimation before OH and such, no tools were used to verify those numbers.

However, if you think about engaging significantly more people or less people, one of the styles will be clearly favorable.
Just for the comparison: If you can outlast them by active tanking, you can over time generate more hp to a multiple of what a buffer would have. Active tanks especially on T3s/CS can become incredibly beasty - even more so on T3s as they can near all combine it with an oversized AB for further damage mitigation and mobility.

Sadly only a handful of fits are well suited to skoot around like this, fitted with what they need for that job: 100mn-tengu, 100mn-legion, 100mn-loki, if you can select a warp-in, 720-nanoloki and shieldlegion become viable aswell. But that's five fits suitable for local tanking against better groups, all are in very serious trouble if tackled by 2 lokis with a tiny bit of backup and all are pretty poorly defended against a single ceptor.

Right now, they can already be used to tank a 8-man vexorfleet, guess that's enough. When moving those values up even more, it will just lower the chances for solo/smallgang-pvp as you need two proteus and a geddon to break even the most basic tank :|

The problem here is remote reps and the Guardian which is broken as hell.

The laws of thermodynamics do not apply to the Guardian as it can make cap from literally nothing.

This is wrong and the problem is not T3's or active reps, but the fact that remote reps are OP as hell.