EVE General Discussion

for those of us that can not click on the big " DEV BLOGS " button on the top right of this very page

also i suggest folks read ALL the way through rather than read the first paragraph then " TO THE FORUMS!!!"

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/

Like you ever care about null sec indy at all.

wait.. mining got buffed?
so it's no longer a minimum wage job?



oh the day CCP does something to differentiate between active and afk miners will be a glorious day! hell for the forums though.

True.

But it does not answer why the change should be made in the first place.

Ive already demonstarted the negative effects:
-Looters will no longer bring in modules valued only for refinement.

-A categoric and universal reduction in the mineral value (base value) of ALL non-ore/ice refinement items, from modules to ships.
(This one cannot be overstated. ALL non-ice/ore refinement items in the game will have their base value reduced by this change)

-Death of the non-ore/ice refining profession, for the two stacking reasons outlined above. Lack of materials brought to market for refinement AND the reduced value of every single on of those items in refinement mineral outcome.

-Further excacerbated by the fact that instead of skilling for non-ice/ore refinement into an market devoid of refinable items and all at reduced value, the dame time can be spent to skill into ice/ore refinement instead, for which the market will provide plenty of unrefined materials and of which there is likely to be an net increase of in volume.

What is the reason/justification that is beneficial to the game, for causing the above?

The Dev Blog does not provide one either directly or by implication.

Infact it tries to claim that this will encourage the non-ice/ore refining profession for skilling, which is unfortunately completely false for the reasons I have demonstrated above. It infact does the exact opposite of what they propose, and kills that niche profession which already today is a very tight margin business.

WHY is this change being made?

Oh snap, an epic Dinsdale whine thread and I'm late to the party!

1) You're wrong. The moon goo changes drastically reduced null sec income such that coalitions that never would've considered having renters now have huge renter networks to bolster their income. Stop being bad at math with imaginary numbers that you don't even have.

2) Sense of entitlement must come naturally for you - being the casual highsec mission runner demanding to keep such risk-free income. How dare CCP take part of your cookie away from you! You deserve that cookie don't you?! The whole cookie dammit! GRR Goons!

3) Casual miners are getting a boost from this. The ore they sell will be worth more. Casual miners don't train for refining you see, only min-maxing miners do, and they'll be fine because they'll see the benefit of owning a POS they always wanted anyway and use it to refine or compress. Again, you're just wrong.


P.S. When pluralizing a noun, one does not add an apostrophe before the 's'.

The business of running regional buy orders and collecting up the reprocs got a huge buff, you are now able to directly expose yourself to a significant proportion of the titan building business. That business comes to you by a kick in the nuts for the 425mm railgun producers who now need to become mobile to get to the locations where the ore is uncompressed.

As far as the claim goes, CCP claim the whole reproc business became more important, after they renamed everything in refining to reproc for the purposes of this patch. It is not an unreasonable claim, though I could understand someone who doesn't have English as their first language not understanding the subtlety (even though it was laboriously spelled out).

I don't object to this change when considered inside an isolated box. However, I fail to see why this change was more important than nerfing blitzing.

English is my second language out of four, but it is the language of all my tuition and education in life, as well as the one I comprehend and speak best.

I am not linguistically impaired from understanding your English.

425 manufacturers are not directly connected to reprocessors. They are in competition with other manufacturers over minerals, not over the reprocessable materials that are delivered to market.

Your post completely missed the point and impetus of mine, as well as its central question.

Whether that is due to you not linguistically understanding it, not comprehending it, or doing so deliberately is unclear but with each subsequent post I find the benefit of the doubt eroding on the two former and indicating the remaining latter option.

425 manufacturers can simply manufacture other goods after the change. They need to diversify their products, but they still carry the same skill set which is not affected in anyway directly by the changes. All that will happen, is 425 demand for purposes of transporting minerals to null sec will become void.

Non-ore/ice Reprocessor efficiency, and the associated skill set, however, is centrally nerfed.

Nothing you, anyone else, or the Devs have said, justifies or explains the need to make the change which results in the negative effects I have already demonstrated and outlined in two previous posts.

The problem of moving high sec minerals to null, and the contrived solution of 425mms, is already resolved twofold by the compression change for purposes of transport, and the better null sec refinement yields as a result of the efficiency changes.

The nerfing of non-ore/ice refinables is superfluous to that solution, and has repercussions which extend well beyond solving that problem, and are extrenuous to it. They are outlined here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4369465#post4369465

This thread, and my points, are specific to the reduction on reprocessing efficiency on ALL non-ore/mine refinables in the game, and the subsequent repercussions.

I ask once again, what is the justification for this?

Uhhhh...I was supposed to actually loot missions instead of just blaze through for the bounties/LP/Rewards?

Awkward.

What little reason there might have been for doing that, when it comes to modules that have value only as reprocessed minerals, will be made even less worthwhile by this.

And not only is this the case for missioners, but for ratters and anomaly/sig runners as well, AND, most importantly for non-ore/ice Reprocessing skilled players who bought what they brought in inorder to reprocess into minerals for a small proft margin.

Why? I have no idea, and no player or Dev seems to be able or willing to explain the reasoning or justification for that.