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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#141 - 2014-03-21 04:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Mario Putzo wrote:
Highsec can suck it. Lowsec is the one who gets hit most by this. Most Lowsec mission runners use Minerals from reprocessing to build ships with BPOs they buy with LP. Now with roughly 30% of that being taken away it amounts only to another blow to living in lowsec.



eh a pair of dominixes blitzing level 5s.is worth more than 200m isk/hr. I never harp on about in balance discussions, because lowsec has sufficient risk, but its actually right up there. (and then there is FW too).

A single blockade runner trip can bring in sufficient 425s (in the curent system, and compressed ore in the future system) to build a battleship.

Also lowsec mining just got buffed, because now its far easier to export the most valuable mineral type without needing a basket of minerals, and its far easier to mine using a pos for support.
Kyperion
#142 - 2014-03-21 04:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
Marsha Mallow wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

What is the casual carebear doing other than hoovering up resources and ISK other players might use to fund warfare, in a war game. Then doing nothing with it other than show off, fit ludicrous ships, tell everyone how awesome they are or fund their extortion of other players on the market. Fair enough, some want to play a friendly, co-operative game with like minded people. It's lunacy for them to label everyone else as murdering sociopaths simply because they actually want to fire their weapons against non-NPCs. Particularly as it takes a hell of a lot of trust and co-operation to run successful pvp corps in the first place.

Perhaps we should consider farmers as the capitalist pig overlords vs the socialist freedom fighter rebels to get a better idea of why the styles of gameplay are so diametrically opposed. At least the blobbers get SRP, even if that entails being a serf. Farmers are literally leeching ISK from everyone else, and throw a huge tantrum when people point out that they aren't spending it on anything worthwhile anyway.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not a banker, I am not smirking nor claiming ethical superiority.
I am going to strip people off their money fair and square like I have always done, and if they don't like it, they can kiss my butt cheeks. Pirate

Auditors, accountants and stock brokers are equally vile. Actually, we all are when we participate in an exploitative loop. Hence Engel's remarks , which you should really start paying attention to when you simultaneously prance about how much money you are making via rl trading vs your 'charitable endeavours'.
"placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them"
Blink


You do realize that Socialism/Communism is responsible for killing more innocent people in the 20th century than the Nazis right?
Where in space are you, you ******* communist pig?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#143 - 2014-03-21 05:04:17 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

What is the casual carebear doing other than hoovering up resources and ISK other players might use to fund warfare, in a war game. Then doing nothing with it other than show off, fit ludicrous ships, tell everyone how awesome they are or fund their extortion of other players on the market. Fair enough, some want to play a friendly, co-operative game with like minded people. It's lunacy for them to label everyone else as murdering sociopaths simply because they actually want to fire their weapons against non-NPCs. Particularly as it takes a hell of a lot of trust and co-operation to run successful pvp corps in the first place.

Perhaps we should consider farmers as the capitalist pig overlords vs the socialist freedom fighter rebels to get a better idea of why the styles of gameplay are so diametrically opposed. At least the blobbers get SRP, even if that entails being a serf. Farmers are literally leeching ISK from everyone else, and throw a huge tantrum when people point out that they aren't spending it on anything worthwhile anyway.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not a banker, I am not smirking nor claiming ethical superiority.
I am going to strip people off their money fair and square like I have always done, and if they don't like it, they can kiss my butt cheeks. Pirate

Auditors, accountants and stock brokers are equally vile. Actually, we all are when we participate in an exploitative loop. Hence Engel's remarks , which you should really start paying attention to when you simultaneously prance about how much money you are making via rl trading vs your 'charitable endeavours'.
"placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them"
Blink


You do realize that Socialism/Communism is responsible for killing more innocent people in the 20th century than the ***** right?
Where in space are you, you ******* communist pig?


I think you may be mixing up economic distribution and welfare systems with the actions of nation states that happen to make use of those systems. A similar mistake can be made with the actions of the USA and capitalism.
Powers Sa
#144 - 2014-03-21 05:07:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
To be fair, there's a mission runner in my corp who loots and refines his mission loot... He actually gets more from that per hour that a dedicated miner friend of his...
So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining not a foot up the mission runners arses.

Link to devblog please... Stupid search function gone kaput on me damn phone...


It is precisely an attack on the mission runners.
Or anyone who reprocesses modules in high sec particularly.

I called this attack on high sec for the past winter release.
Guess I was off by 6 months.
Now waiting for the other "balances" coming with this release to further ruin high sec for the benefit of the cartels.

Nobody cares.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2014-03-21 05:40:46 UTC
lol ... U americans and your politics are cray cray
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2014-03-21 05:43:24 UTC
This thread got interesting at first, now it's just gonna be a political cesspool I guess.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#147 - 2014-03-21 05:43:30 UTC
whatever

missions belong to recycle bin anyways.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#148 - 2014-03-21 05:45:36 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
This thread got interesting at first, now it's just gonna be a political cesspool I guess.


Typical tactics. Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.
ISD locking thread in 3....2....1.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#149 - 2014-03-21 05:53:36 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Typical tactics. Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.
How do you derail a thread that was nonsensical from the very start? And how is it done by a group that doesn't even exist?
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#150 - 2014-03-21 05:56:18 UTC
This would be a nerf for ratters. Not that I mind. The big $$$ is in the meta 4 stuff, but now the junk will really be junk.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#151 - 2014-03-21 05:59:25 UTC
DOes this make nullbear goon ratting suck as bad as the drone regions?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2014-03-21 06:00:11 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This would be a nerf for ratters. Not that I mind. The big $$$ is in the meta 4 stuff, but now the junk will really be junk.


Most serious ratters are like mission runners and either blitz completely or cherry pick the high value loot and leave the rest for the ninjas.

Cherry picking loot has become even easier if you are game to use an MTU as you no longer need to cargo scan wrecks, just pull them all in, scoop the MTU, sort the can by value, and just take anything worth more than half a mill and dump the rest.
Kyperion
#153 - 2014-03-21 06:06:35 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This would be a nerf for ratters. Not that I mind. The big $$$ is in the meta 4 stuff, but now the junk will really be junk.


Most serious ratters are like mission runners and either blitz completely or cherry pick the high value loot and leave the rest for the ninjas.

Cherry picking loot has become even easier if you are game to use an MTU as you no longer need to cargo scan wrecks, just pull them all in, scoop the MTU, sort the can by value, and just take anything worth more than half a mill and dump the rest.


I wonder if they will eventually add a deployable salvager with similar functionality.

I have no idea how they could do it, or what it would look like but it would be nice if they refined the Salvage 'career' a little bit... give Marauders even more of a niche. Not that marauders aren't particularly useful, just think that tractor bonus is REALLY dated now.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#154 - 2014-03-21 06:06:51 UTC
I'm not happy about this nerf because I do mineral compression to support our supercapital builders. But I accept that mineral compression has needed a nerf and I've personally advocated for such a nerf in the past, so I'm ultimately fine with it.

Hisec babbies that wail about every little change that affects their horribly suboptimal mission running are literally the least affected by this change

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Kyperion
#155 - 2014-03-21 06:12:14 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This would be a nerf for ratters. Not that I mind. The big $$$ is in the meta 4 stuff, but now the junk will really be junk.


Most serious ratters are like mission runners and either blitz completely or cherry pick the high value loot and leave the rest for the ninjas.

Cherry picking loot has become even easier if you are game to use an MTU as you no longer need to cargo scan wrecks, just pull them all in, scoop the MTU, sort the can by value, and just take anything worth more than half a mill and dump the rest.


I wonder if they will eventually add a deployable salvager with similar functionality.

I have no idea how they could do it, or what it would look like but it would be nice if they refined the Salvage 'career' a little bit... give Marauders even more of a niche. Not that marauders aren't particularly useful, just think that tractor bonus is REALLY dated now.


Maybe reduce the extra high slots by 1 or 2, and then add something like "Ammunition Reprocessor module" where you could take salvage/loot and directly churn it into ammunition, dunno what the paladin would do though.


OR..... you could have the Matar go full rustbucket kitchen sink, and be able to directly load salvage/loot into their cannons to shoot at people. (Pirates of the Carribean anyone?)
Marsha Mallow
#156 - 2014-03-21 06:13:21 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
X

Calm down. I was ribbing VV, not you.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.

Kicking and squealing Gucci little piggy
I just hotdrop when I have assigments to do. Sorry. Don't see why I should suffer on my own. :Sociopath:

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2014-03-21 06:26:16 UTC
Drink it in, guys. We've got 'bear tears here.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Kyperion
#158 - 2014-03-21 06:27:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
I'm not happy about this nerf because I do mineral compression to support our supercapital builders. But I accept that mineral compression has needed a nerf and I've personally advocated for such a nerf in the past, so I'm ultimately fine with it.

Hisec babbies that wail about every little change that affects their horribly suboptimal mission running are literally the least affected by this change


The only reason you 'accept' this is because you know it won't really be more than an slight inconvienence to you.... To a mission runner with a certain playstyle this essentially means the end of his/her playstyle. Which is not inherently a bad deal, I don't think this will make a huge impact on missioning as a whole, most of the good income for me has come from selling meta modules and LP.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#159 - 2014-03-21 06:43:39 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Andski wrote:
I'm not happy about this nerf because I do mineral compression to support our supercapital builders. But I accept that mineral compression has needed a nerf and I've personally advocated for such a nerf in the past, so I'm ultimately fine with it.

Hisec babbies that wail about every little change that affects their horribly suboptimal mission running are literally the least affected by this change


The only reason you 'accept' this is because you know it won't really be more than an slight inconvienence to you.... To a mission runner with a certain playstyle this essentially means the end of his/her playstyle. Which is not inherently a bad deal, I don't think this will make a huge impact on missioning as a whole, most of the good income for me has come from selling meta modules and LP.


Doing missions wrong isn't a playstyle.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#160 - 2014-03-21 06:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kyperion wrote:
Andski wrote:
I'm not happy about this nerf because I do mineral compression to support our supercapital builders. But I accept that mineral compression has needed a nerf and I've personally advocated for such a nerf in the past, so I'm ultimately fine with it.

Hisec babbies that wail about every little change that affects their horribly suboptimal mission running are literally the least affected by this change


The only reason you 'accept' this is because you know it won't really be more than an slight inconvienence to you.... To a mission runner with a certain playstyle this essentially means the end of his/her playstyle. Which is not inherently a bad deal, I don't think this will make a huge impact on missioning as a whole, most of the good income for me has come from selling meta modules and LP.

This does not in any way "end" any play style whatsoever. It slightly reduces the already small portion of mission-running income that comes from melted low-meta modules (a portion that should be 0 if you do them properly anyway). If those are your entire play style, missions were never the right place for you to begin with.