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High Sec Miners just got completely Buffed by CCP

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Dunhill Slims
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-21 03:16:09 UTC
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The New Orderers in the post are crying in their posts, so you know it is great for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will only be able to get 50-55% refining on their mission loot.
No More shall the mineral market be flooded with with the refines of these missioners.
Additionally, POS structures now allow instant compression of ores into block with much smaller volumes, making the transport of ores even easier.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-03-21 03:28:02 UTC
mate the change is intended to promote emergent gameplay, nerf npc services in favour of player-owned infrastructure and head towards expanding industry to all areas of space

this is an excellent buff to industry gameplay, it's something the new order definitely would applaud

it's not like the mineral market was really 'flooded' with refine loot compared to pre-crucible though (was it in crucible meta 0 and drone poop were removed?)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2014-03-21 03:30:35 UTC
Hardly changes anything. Mission reprocessing is such a tiny amount of minerals compared to the trillions of units vomited out by highsec bot miners (including both EULA-breaking bots and EULA-compliant ISOboxers in that category, your opinion may vary) a month that supply will hardly notice it.

Null may be different - this really drops the supply of trit in ratting systems.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#4 - 2014-03-21 03:37:28 UTC
I cannot wait, personally.

All of those untanked barges and exhumers...

Sucking up as much ore as they can for their industry projects and new highsec "compression" schemes...

Boxer fleets will be on the rise. Ripe targets for smartbomb bs's.

And still miners will still 'sploding in space, because, well...

War...war never changes.

Especially not one as honourable as the liberation of high-sec from the further bot-aspirancy these changes will create.

It will be a glorious new addition to the sandbox.

Big smile

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2014-03-21 04:08:11 UTC
Dunhill Slims wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The New Orderers in the post are crying in their posts, so you know it is great for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will only be able to get 50-55% refining on their mission loot.
No More shall the mineral market be flooded with with the refines of these missioners.
Additionally, POS structures now allow instant compression of ores into block with much smaller volumes, making the transport of ores even easier.


The biggest thing is that irmproves the use of deadends and the like where local is useful and not cluttered with neuts, which means that if you watch your screen (and hence are at keyboard), you gain most out of this.

BTW - CODE do not care about people who are watching screens and not AFK.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2014-03-21 04:17:55 UTC
Tauranon wrote:

BTW - CODE do not care about people who are watching screens and not AFK.


We do still care about them if they are in violation of the CODE. It's just that they tend to escape before we spring traps on them.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Lady Areola Fappington
#7 - 2014-03-21 04:32:27 UTC
Dunhill Slims wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The New Orderers in the post are crying in their posts, so you know it is great for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will only be able to get 50-55% refining on their mission loot.
No More shall the mineral market be flooded with with the refines of these missioners.
Additionally, POS structures now allow instant compression of ores into block with much smaller volumes, making the transport of ores even easier.



Our dastardly deeds, foiled again!
Obviously the Casual Highsec Mining Cartel had a hand in this!
And we woulda gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling devs!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#8 - 2014-03-21 04:32:41 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Tauranon wrote:

BTW - CODE do not care about people who are watching screens and not AFK.


We do still care about them if they are in violation of the CODE. It's just that they tend to escape before we spring traps on them.


meh, I'm the mittanis groundskeeper, I mow his gurista, and I shoot the herons that come to steal his salvage, and even I couldn't manage the "The New Order of Highsec continues to recognize The Mittani as the legitimate Chairman of the CSM. This determination remains the rule in all New Order territories."
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#9 - 2014-03-21 04:51:50 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Hardly changes anything. Mission reprocessing is such a tiny amount of minerals compared to the trillions of units vomited out by highsec bot miners (including both EULA-breaking bots and EULA-compliant ISOboxers in that category, your opinion may vary) a month that supply will hardly notice it


You couldn't just say bots and leave it a that, could you?

You had to qualify it by saying 'highsec bot miners'.

Either you are too dumb to know how much botting goes on in null, or you are just dumb. Either way, your opinion is moot.

Mr Epeen Cool
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-03-21 05:00:51 UTC
Soon..freighters full of compressed ore will flow through my space...content to AFK Autopilot on their journeys. Their explosions will illuminate the skies and their loot drops will fuel the production of Catalysts, which will create MORE explosions and MORE loot drops! My brothers! We stand on the eve of a glorious time to be alive!



Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-03-21 05:05:26 UTC
looks like the refining buff for nullsec means that any outpost can get upgraded for better-than-empire refines. This means that there is actually a reason for nullsec industry, as you will get more minerals for your ore in some locations, and this can balance against the costs/risks/effort of moving raw materials and goods.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-03-21 05:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Hardly changes anything. Mission reprocessing is such a tiny amount of minerals compared to the trillions of units vomited out by highsec bot miners (including both EULA-breaking bots and EULA-compliant ISOboxers in that category, your opinion may vary) a month that supply will hardly notice it.

Null may be different - this really drops the supply of trit in ratting systems.

completely ignoring the ethical debate involving ISboxer, just wanted to point out a BOT is an automated program that cammands a characters actions based on a set of scripts, these are inflexible and made obsolete temporarily with serious changes to game code.

ISboxer however is simply user-dependent delegation of controls through a common interface, all the characters can act independently when the need presents it, and requires a living body on the other end to issue those orders.

*edit*: and no, ive never multi-oxed in my life, with or without ISBoxer, aint got the dosh or the eve-fu for more than 1 account.
Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-21 05:56:07 UTC
More raw materials should be from players, not reprocessed loot.

If CCP takes the minerals to find the NPC ships in missions then that's one thing, otherwise, need it. As a mission tuner it sucks but it's true to reality.

Making a world here!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-03-21 05:56:22 UTC
Whilst new mission runners loot the recyclable stuff not a lot of serious mission runners do. Some with alts may bring in a Noctis and cargo scan or use a MTU and sort/select everything worth more than half a mill and leave the rest in space but generally looting consists of cherry picking the odd high value implant from named wrecks known to drop good stuff.

The amount of recycled loot that gets sold directly on the market as mats is probably negligible.

I see two changes from this:
- no-one will take the recycle skills ever ... cos they now make an even more meaningless difference to your ISK returns
- people will move from looting to blitzing even earlier in their mission careers
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#15 - 2014-03-21 06:57:15 UTC
As I see it now the miners finally have and incentive to run a POS for reprocessing. Which forces at least one of their tons out of the NPC corp. I don't see anything wrong at the moment (opinion subject to change) with this change, only more opportunities.
Lady Areola Fappington
#16 - 2014-03-21 07:16:06 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Whilst new mission runners loot the recyclable stuff not a lot of serious mission runners do. Some with alts may bring in a Noctis and cargo scan or use a MTU and sort/select everything worth more than half a mill and leave the rest in space but generally looting consists of cherry picking the odd high value implant from named wrecks known to drop good stuff.

The amount of recycled loot that gets sold directly on the market as mats is probably negligible.

I see two changes from this:
- no-one will take the recycle skills ever ... cos they now make an even more meaningless difference to your ISK returns
- people will move from looting to blitzing even earlier in their mission careers


One counter I see to "everyone will just abandon loot", is that people do use those meta drops for builds. I can see, with enough of a shortage, those meta items going back up in cost some, and being worth grabbing again.

It's always felt kind of strange to me, that for a lot of items, worth is tied to the minerals you can pull out of them. It would feel a little more "natural", at least to me, to have mod worth tied to it's actual usability.

It may also make things a little easier on CCPs side, for tweaking loot drop tables. They can look at market info a little more directly, without having to tangle in and filter out scrap worth. Less artificial inflation of market movement on modules just for the scrap value.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-03-21 07:17:56 UTC
I just realized that I sell pos fuel materials, have for a while. Big smile

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Salvos Rhoska
#18 - 2014-03-21 08:08:21 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
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A crap module, is still crap.

Its value uptil now was in reprocessing it.

This change does nothing to increase the function of these modules.

It does however reduce their re-sale value to refiners, because refiners can't get as much out of them due to a reduced and hardcapped efficency.

The result of which is more modules will simply be left on wrecks, and the few that do make it to market, will also be less valuable, because so is their direct value in minerals from refinement.

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Beta Maoye
#19 - 2014-03-21 08:35:13 UTC
Given the nerf to skill-based refinery yields and buff to structure-based reprocessing turnout, miners might want to sell ores to specialized reprocesser instead of refining themselves. Ores are bulky. It increases the demand for voluminous transportation.

This change raises barriers to new entrants into manufacturing. In addition to vast amount of manufacturing skills, wannabe manufacturers now need access to POS reprocessing facility and months of queueing to fill up their bars of reprocessing skills before they can think about manufacturing.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-03-21 08:40:20 UTC
It's a serious highsec miner nerf.

Think it through a bit more and you'll see.

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