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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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Lady Areola Fappington
#121 - 2014-03-21 00:50:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And they're not nullsec devs. They're devs.


Never really got the whole "Goonspiracy" thing, on how goons somehow "control" CCP.

It's weird cognitive dissonance. On one hand, our local conspiracy buffs will tell us that goons have so much powers over CCP, because with a snap of the finger, Mittens can force all goons to quit Eve, which would cost CCP all their revenue....

Yet, on the other side, CCP should never ever make changes to highsec, because the vast majority of players live in highsec and changes that benefit null are worthless to most players etc.

I mean, which is it?

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#122 - 2014-03-21 01:29:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nerfs like this are a direct attack by the null sec cartels against high sec.

No, nerfs like this are a change in the game by made by CCP.
It's not an attack against high-sec, any more than a nerf to moon goo was an attack against us (it wasn't).

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So from the perspective of the cartel leadership, who stand to profit quite nicely from this, yeah, it is an improvement.

Why shouldn't we (all of us in the "cartels", not just the leadership) profit from infrastructure that thousands of us had to fight for, and that our alliance had to spend significant resources developing?

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
For everyone in high sec, it is yet another indication of the contempt and hatred null sec dev's have for the largest part of their subscription base.

That's pretty funny considering null sec players probably contribute more to your subscriber base, considering that these nerfs don't actually hurt you much if at all, considering some high sec players will probably stand to profit from this, and considering that game balance is important regardless of who benefits from changes intended to restore that balance.


1. The moon goo changes were not a nerf for null sec per se. The amount of ISK gained by null sec did not change. It was transferred to a different moon goo. Now, the dev's, in order to give their associates in null sec something to do, DID directly attack goons with the distribution, and force them to attack Test for a moon grab. But it turns out the cartels' overall moon goo income was not nerfed at all, even after alchemy.

2. I always laugh at the sense of entitlement so many cartel members have about what they "deserve". And how it is never enough. Sounds like a typical koch brother attitude. Taking more from all other sectors of space is somehow their birthright, no matter how much CCP has already gifted them. What is really funny is how many have joined up long after goons actually did any fighting for territory, and act like they have are some battlescarred vet of years of sov warfare.

3. And cloaking another attack against high sec as some kind of inevitable balance is ridiculous. This nerf to mission runners was not warranted in any sense, given how much has been taken from them already. Oh, and it is going to be really funny for all the causal miners when they see how much more training and implants will be needed to maintain their current income levels. Wrecking the status quo in high sec for the benefit of null sec is NOT some redress against some long term flaw. There was no flaw. Only the null sec propagandists drummed up a campaign suggesting there was a flaw.

And of course, the dev's happily obliged. And yes, their actions prove precisely where their allegiances lie. Actions speak far louder than words, and what they think of high sec and null sec.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#123 - 2014-03-21 01:34:33 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The moon goo changes were not a nerf for null sec per se.

And these changes aren't a nerf to highsec mission runners per se.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2014-03-21 01:38:04 UTC
dinsdale you realise that when module tiericide comes around mission runners'll be laughing when meta 1-3 stuff suddenly isn't total garbage
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#125 - 2014-03-21 01:43:10 UTC
If you play a "highsec casual playstyle", you quite simply don't know or care enough about the game to be even remotely suited to be a dev.

It's like claiming a business is prejudiced because they don't have any gingers on their staff. Either the gingers just didn't apply, or they weren't up to snuff. Occam's Razor, yeesh. Stop trying to grab smoke to justify your hatred of the real players.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#126 - 2014-03-21 01:45:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's like claiming a business is prejudiced because they don't have any gingers on their staff. Either the gingers just didn't apply, or they weren't up to snuff. Occam's Razor, yeesh. Stop trying to grab smoke to justify your hatred of the real players.


Don't be prejudiced
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#127 - 2014-03-21 01:54:36 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
I like how nerf is called "significant improvements" in the article.

CCP is practically a government. At least they use the same methods of crowd control.


You do know that the two "CC" of "CCP" are truly an acronym for "Crowd Control (Productions)" right?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-03-21 01:56:19 UTC
More proof that CCP devs only play eve on their 500m SP supertoons and haven't tried starting a new toon from scratch.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2014-03-21 01:59:00 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
More proof that CCP devs only play eve on their 500m SP supertoons and haven't tried starting a new toon from scratch.

The vast majority of players, especially new players, will not even notice this change.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#130 - 2014-03-21 01:59:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP need to make null worth fighting for first.

null-sec exists since 2003? You say players were fighting in it just for fun? And there was NEVER any reasons to fight for it at all? Shocked


Can you think of any reason to invade goon space other than because its goons?


I can't even find a reason to move out of Jita tbh.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#131 - 2014-03-21 02:00:47 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Best solution.

Blitz and ignore loot.

Churn more missions and trade LP for all those lovely Sisters Probes and Virtual Implants and let the loot rot.

You actually make more ISK.


Sheeps all flocking to do exactly this thing will make LP drop and crash.

When it's too obvious(tm) it's a loser game.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-03-21 02:42:16 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The "casual highsec player", being casual, and highsec, has no devotion, so doesn't apply.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#133 - 2014-03-21 02:45:27 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The "casual highsec player", being casual, and highsec, has no devotion, so doesn't apply.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.


This particular CSM has done a great job in pointing out to CCP what numbers were grossly wrong in this game, and how to fix them without inadvertently creating exploits. This is a particularly well thought out set of changes.

Marsha Mallow
#134 - 2014-03-21 03:05:09 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

What is the casual carebear doing other than hoovering up resources and ISK other players might use to fund warfare, in a war game. Then doing nothing with it other than show off, fit ludicrous ships, tell everyone how awesome they are or fund their extortion of other players on the market. Fair enough, some want to play a friendly, co-operative game with like minded people. It's lunacy for them to label everyone else as murdering sociopaths simply because they actually want to fire their weapons against non-NPCs. Particularly as it takes a hell of a lot of trust and co-operation to run successful pvp corps in the first place.

Perhaps we should consider farmers as the capitalist pig overlords vs the socialist freedom fighter rebels to get a better idea of why the styles of gameplay are so diametrically opposed. At least the blobbers get SRP, even if that entails being a serf. Farmers are literally leeching ISK from everyone else, and throw a huge tantrum when people point out that they aren't spending it on anything worthwhile anyway.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not a banker, I am not smirking nor claiming ethical superiority.
I am going to strip people off their money fair and square like I have always done, and if they don't like it, they can kiss my butt cheeks. Pirate

Auditors, accountants and stock brokers are equally vile. Actually, we all are when we participate in an exploitative loop. Hence Engel's remarks , which you should really start paying attention to when you simultaneously prance about how much money you are making via rl trading vs your 'charitable endeavours'.
"placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them"
Blink

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2014-03-21 03:20:53 UTC
exception: 'insane carebear highsec forum warriors vs. everyone else' is most certainly a thing
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#136 - 2014-03-21 03:24:52 UTC
Whilst I have one or two reservations about the new system, it has absolutely no impact on highsec mission runners who will continue to ignore every loot drop, as they have since Inferno.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#137 - 2014-03-21 03:26:56 UTC
Mining just became a proper profession.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind

Thead Enco
HR..
#138 - 2014-03-21 03:32:04 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.


About motherfu***** time
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2014-03-21 03:37:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.


And this is a terrible tragedy to all of EVE because mission running is the only way to make ISK, of course.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mario Putzo
#140 - 2014-03-21 04:24:53 UTC
Highsec can suck it. Lowsec is the one who gets hit most by this. Most Lowsec mission runners use Minerals from reprocessing to build ships with BPOs they buy with LP. Now with roughly 30% of that being taken away it amounts only to another blow to living in lowsec.