Intergalactic Summit

I'll remember that, the next time you come to me with a cluster-**** to participate in. All I asked for was a factual statement.

I see. Much obliged, sir, for the explanation.

...I'm just not going to say a damned thing...

I'm not fond of being involved in political debate, but I'd like to echo the sentiment that I believe any pessimism with respect to this news is premature.

If it wasnt for Heth, patriots and the provists you would have nothing to negotiate for. You think you can come in now at the end, try and take someone else glory.

People still remember Tibus Heth the conqueror personally raise the State flag over the city of Arcurio.

I assume when you say “all factions” you include the majority of the planetary population, which is Gallente?


I wouldn't be overly concerned Pieter.

In Ishukone the Federation has found a rational negotiating partner.

Surely you can trust them to fairly represent the States case, while retaining the flexibility to attain a just, honorable and lasting peace.

Our cousins in the State may well be surprised at the generosity of spirit that exists within the Federation regarding the disposition of Caldari Prime now that the choice is in large part... ours.

It doesn't really take a lot to blow your tops these days, professionals through and through.

The reason for the original disagreement was that blanket statement discarding any non-Ishukone participation regarding the outcome of the situation on Home as essentially having been useless. I can see how one can take offense to that, especially if one has indeed been directly involved.

Added, Re: Agiri Falken:

Apparently being a forklift driver does not make you a great leader or tactician. While I'm certain we could've achieved much more with another more competent set of leaders, or a more determined basis of support in the big eight, but I'm dead certain we wouldn't have achieved anything on that scale with the past status quo.

Mostly because the past status quo was even worse for the majority of the State, yeah. Since we more or less agree on that set of facts, I'll leave it there on that matter.

To the rest of you... This whole discussion really needs to just die. If all we can do is sit around and blame each other for what we arent doing, then it's not worth it. Ishukone made their choice to sit out the war, and accepted the consequences. Unless the other Megas get onboard with the cleanup... REALLY get onboard, not just complain about it and insist they're entitled to their share because they say so, they're not entitled to transparency, profit, or say in the negotiations. Just like Ishukone, it's their choice.

Pride is the coin to be paid for progress in this case. Those who refuse to pay the toll, don't get to cross the bridge. I understand why they wouldn't, even sympathize in a way, but Winds be damned if "I've earned it" gets anyone anywhere. The horrid truth of the matter is that those five years of bloodshed weren't for Home. They were for the forklift driver who couldn't get enough carnage on his own. All we bought with the blood we shed was emnity, and that makes me sick at heart for all the boys and girls who don't come back like we do. Home was literally won in a day. I dare you to provide any real reason for the five years thereafter that couldn't have been wrapped up in a strongarmed treaty.

Come now, Mademoiselle Priano, I know not where such tangential thoughts could have developed to be directed towards me when all I did was express my shock, my confusion, and my sadness that it appears that in the article in question there had been no mention of any support or positive sentiment by any Caldari institutions to the news of further and increased Ishukone collaboration with the Federal Senate -- to the point that it actually seems to imply (in my mind at least) that not even the majority of Caldari citizens have regarded the news with support.

Imagine my surprise when it appears that the only support Ishukone has received comes only from the Gallentean quarter, who no doubt - just as in this IGS communique - are more than willing to provide their congratulations to their new found ally and Caldari collaborationist. It would appear to me, that indeed unlike Kaalakiota or Lai Dai, that Ishukone is acting contrary to the popular sentiment of the Caldari people. Not because, as you imply, due to the pursuit of diplomacy but rather that such a pursuit was conducted not just without consensus but without even the attempt at consensus with the CEP. Indeed, it would appear that at present Ishukone appears more willing to oblige the Federation through dialogue with the Senate than to oblige the State through dialogue with the CEP.

Now, granted I am but a humble independent corporate military contractor, so my grasp of such things as the management of perception and Boardroom realpolitik are perhaps not as refined as say, Haatakan Oiritsuu, but increasingly it does appear that the decisions on the part of Mens Reppola have little to do with either peace or diplomacy but rather the pursuit of power, and self-interest of Ishukone by continued collaboration with the Federation that advantages only Ishukone and not the rest of the State. That while the professions of conducting such collaboration under the guise of peace my assuage a Federal audience, it has done nothing to convince a majority of Caldari companies and the citizenry of the State. I would say not because of a fundamental disagreement with the concept of peace with the Federation, but rather that it appears particularly disingenuous coming from Ishukone.

An Ishukone whose actions display the garish colours of preferring to support the interests of the Gallente Federation over that of the Caldari State which is evident in the apparent contempt they have shown to both the CEP and the Caldari people in their complete disregard at present for seeking to achieve political and popular consensus. No, the State is not a democracy, companies do not need to vote, but there does exist tradition and the pursuit of the Greater Good through the building of consensus through dialogue and discussion. As such, I can only surmise that among the Caldari majority in the State at present the issue is not bounded within the paradigms of war or peace, but rather the continued displays by Ishukone to pursue their own policies of self-enrichment through the pursuit of, "Peace" with the Federation whilst abandoning the pursuit of the Greater Good of the Caldari State in acting on their own accord with little interest in the tradition of dialogue and discussion among their fellow Caldari.

Gesakaarin-haani, the option you don't appear to be giving due consideration to is that perhaps Ishukone genuinely believes that the course they are charting is in the State's best interests, and that attempting to secure consensus and popular support would only result in damaging delays and harm to the Caldari people and their interests.

Unilateral action is not necessarily sinister, and maverick decisions are not necessarily unwise. Mens Reppola-haan is CEO of one of the Big 8: He earned the position on merit and thus far has done nothing substantial to evidence that he is incapable of living up to that responsibility, and much to evidence that he can and is.

I do not know (though I do trust) that Ishukone's actions are in the State's best interests... but I certainly don't think that veiled musings which stop just shy of being accusations are.