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robyn hoodlum
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-20 18:09:02 UTC
Hello Q&A people. I have been browsing this forum for a few days but this is the first time I am going to ask a question :)

I played EVE a few years ago for exactly 2 weeks but never renewed my SUB. It was mostly RL reasons and at the time the learning curve was just too high and I did not want to commit myself to learning the game. Long story short I am back and started with a 3 month sub and not even a trial this time.

My long term goal is to get into PVP. Solo or small scale pvp to be exact. Large fleet pvp looks awesome on videos but personally I fear that it might be terribly dull for everyone except the fleet commander. Where in small groups or solo pvp it depends more on my actions so the sense of achievement is high. In real life I own manage many people so I really do not want to get into commanding. I come here to escape from the pressures of real life! :)

My short term and immediate goals though is to make lots of ISK. The reasons are many, but for one thing I have read that learning to pvp takes time and ships. Time I have but not ships, so I want to use my initial time effectively and use it to make ISK while I learn the game mechanics, about fittings and just the universe in general. I have read what other people posted when they say experience is all that is needed. I like competing on a fairly level field though (well, as much as I can). I dont mind losings a hundred ships in that persuit. But I want to have the ISK to afford it so that will be my first thing to do.

I was thinking that I should do missions while I train the skills I need for pvp. From what I can figure out about the skills system there is many skills that overlap between pvp and pve. The big difference between pvp and pve appears to be in the fitting of the ships and the type of ships I use.

So my question is can I make a decent amount of ISK from running missions? Is there other, better alternatives that does not include trading? I have no interest in doing trading, though hauling could be a possibility if it makes good ISK. if I make alot of ISK then I can always buy a veteran character and give my learning a big boost :)

P.S. On the topic of buying a char, how much would I expect to pay for a decent starting char?

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-03-20 18:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
ok, first things first: the easiest way to get ISK is to sell a PLEX on the market. if you do that once a month, it will give you roughly 20 million in pocket money per day (which is more than you can expect to lose, unless you fly unreasonably expensive ships).

if you do not want to spend any more real life money on the game, missions can be an effective way to make some ISK, but you have to be aware that they tend to become repetitive and boring over time. many a player ran missions until he/she burned out and quit without ever witnessing the other cool stuff in eve. if you can handle *the grind*, you can make steady and decent income with missions (50 million/ hour is a solid number for a well trained and experienced pilot).

as for pvp: i would advise you to join either red vs. blue or faction warfare. both specialize in small fleets and cheap ships and can be loads of fun if you're into that kind of pvp. unfortunately, both make you a target even in high sec, which does not play well with running missions.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#3 - 2014-03-20 18:21:50 UTC

Going to address one of your questions:
You can drop a couple of bil on a starter Tengu pilot or battleship pilot.

However, please do realize that while you'll get a huge boost in effectiveness - you'll lose a lot of time that you would have spent researching and mulling over training trade offs. It's a good way to lose interest in the game, quickly.

Essentially, I can put a 14 year old kid in the cockpit of a formula 1 car - but it isn't going to mean squat to him. Give the same kid a drivers ed course, a couple of times driving a round a parking lot, and a learners permit - He's going to get a hell of a lot more out of the driving experience. By the time he's ready to sit in a racecar he'll understand the differences between it and his camry; and why they are significant.

Don't be the guy with the blinged out raven running level 4s for two months and wondering why this game is so boring.

robyn hoodlum
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-03-20 18:30:44 UTC
To be honest the day I can afford to buy a char from ISK I made ingame, would probably be the day I dont need the char! Hehe :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2014-03-20 18:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Use your alts, by all means run missions to raise iskies for PvP.

Train up a character for the purposes of making money, and then train up one of your other 2 characters, so it doesn't affect your income, with some basic PvP skills and jump into something like RvB for cheap thrills or BNI if you're interested in playing against the big boys, and progress from there. I'd also recommend an Agony basic PvP course when you can afford it.

People also run public roams, most are newbie friendly and welcome people in frigates who aren't afraid to be hero tackle. The aim of them is to kill as many people as you can before you're all dead, have run out of ships and more importantly beer. Big smile

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-20 20:33:58 UTC
It's not immediately obvious from the description, but you can make quite a bit of ISK running faction warfare plexes. Certainly enough to keep you in t1 frigates for pew. And the skills required are minimal, you just have to orbit the "button" for a period of time to capture the plex and earn loyalty points. Selling stuff from the loyalty point store is quite profitable (choose the items carefully).

Faction warfare also provides you the type of PvP you described in your OP (this is the primary reason to choose it - dedicated farmers are looked down on in faction warfare). Mostly small gang and solo work in cheap ships with the occasional opportunity to fly in more expensive stuff. If you go this route I definitely recommend you join an established corporation. Solo pvp can be frustrating even for experienced pilots, as your opponent is never guaranteed to be truly solo. And you'll get better much faster with experienced pilots to learn from or just bounce ideas off of.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-20 21:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Argh. The moment I dont have access to my laptop a nice posts that deserves a wall of text as a reply.

Basically:

Welcome back to EVE.

Yes missions can pay pretty good. But from level 3 onward. Also, at start you will lose ships ( a lot) in PvP. Start small.

Yes some skills overlap but fits and tactics are different.

Look up the following things as they might be of interest of you:

A. Faction warfare (combo of PvP and PvE - very frigate friendly).
B. RvB Ganked - public saturday roam.
C. Spectre Fleet - Hosts of public roams.
D. Redemption Road - Hosts of public roams (mainly Saturdays and Sundays but also during the week).
E. Agony Unleashed - Hosts PvP Uni classes and its highly recommended to join their BASIC class.
F. DO NOT buy a character. Just because you have the SP doesnt mean you have the skills to use a ship. A lot of EVE is not based on SP but on what YOU as a player know. It doesnt matter if you have 1 or 400 million SP if you dont know how mechanics and certain tricks work.

If you have any further questions, dont be afraid to mail me or drop by in the 2 channels listed in my signature

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-20 21:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Use your alts, by all means run missions to raise iskies for PvP.

Train up a character for the purposes of making money, and then train up one of your other 2 characters, so it doesn't affect your income, with some basic PvP skills and jump into something like RvB for cheap thrills or BNI if you're interested in playing against the big boys, and progress from there. I'd also recommend an Agony basic PvP course when you can afford it.

People also run public roams, most are newbie friendly and welcome people in frigates who aren't afraid to be hero tackle. The aim of them is to kill as many people as you can before you're all dead, have run out of ships and more importantly beer. Big smile

J'Poll is the person to speak to about those


Thanks. See above post for that.


About affording the Agony BASIC class. There is a scholarship in place hosted by SOMER for those who cant pay for the class.

As we are playing the referring cards here. About all things agony, talk to Gizznit or join their public chat (Agony Public - IIRC) and just ask for an Agonite that can help you with their PvP Uni stuff.



As someone that flies with Ganked regurly and is a weekly regular on Redemtion Road's Sunday roams I can tell you. I have never ever seen someone being turned down because of character age or ship flown. Everybody is welcome and with Redemption Roads roams its not uncommon that some regular vets even give you some ships so you dont even have to worry too much about losing them.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Ethikos
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-20 23:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
General:
First, welcome! Taking a look at your long term goals, I would bring up one consideration. PvP does not take huge amounts of ISK. Frankly, when you start out your going to blow up a lot no matter what you fly. There is a lot to learn mechanically, "clicking in space", and EvE strategy. You want to be flying cheap ships while you learn that part of the game. I would encourage you not to wait, join a new player friendly group and dive in now! Running missions will bring in plenty of ISK to keep you in cheap ships. As you start to grow more skilled, you can likely start looking for other ISK making opportunities with some in game knowledge.

On the character buying front, don't do it when your just starting out. As others have mentioned, it is going to put you in a situation here you have the mechanical ability to sit in ships you are not really ready to fly. EvE does not have a "worst" ship beyond the rookie ships. A better way to think of EvE ships is like classes in other MMOs. Each have a purpose. Tackle frigates are going to be a part of almost every single fleet, you can get into a decent fit tackle frigate with a few days of training. Learning to fly a tackle frigate well takes a lot of work, so there is plenty of challenge in that alone.

Most Important:
Whatever you do, find a group. EvE without a group is not only much harder to learn / play, but is also a lot less fun in my experience.

Good New Player Groups:
1. EvE University - They have classes and will walk you through everything as you learn EvE. They will introduce you to fleet fights, fitting, etc. A very structured approach.

2. Brave Newbies - Very new player friendly and very focused on PvP right now. They are currently deployed into one of the more active areas of EvE. They will introduce you to big fleet fights and all that goodness. Gets you right into some of the bigger fights.

3. Red vs Blue - They exist to fight each other. They are great for a new player learning the ropes and trying to figure out PvP.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2014-03-20 23:49:30 UTC
I recommend Brave Newbies and actively advise against EVE Uni (although their online lectures are good where they are not out of date; but they push players into a risk-averse, anti-dishonesty lifestyle and act like that is the only correct way to play EVE).

Give Brave Newbs a go, and if you don't fit in, you can leave them with no hard feelings.

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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#11 - 2014-03-21 00:50:16 UTC
Ethikos wrote:
General:
First, welcome! Taking a look at your long term goals, I would bring up one consideration. PvP does not take huge amounts of ISK. Frankly, when you start out your going to blow up a lot no matter what you fly. There is a lot to learn mechanically, "clicking in space", and EvE strategy. So you want to be flying cheap ships while you learn that part of the game. I would encourage you not to wait, join a new player friendly group and dive in now! Running missions will bring in plenty of ISK to keep you in cheap ships. As you start to grow more skilled, you can likely start looking for other ISK making opportunities with some in game knowledge.

On the character buying front, don't do it when your just starting out. As others have mentioned, it is going to put you in a situation here you have the mechanical ability to sit in ships you are not really ready to fly. EvE does not really have a "worst" ship beyond the rookie ships. A better way to think of EvE ships is like classes in other MMOs. Each have a purpose. Tackle frigates are going to be a part of almost every single fleet, you can get into a decent fit tackle frigate with a few days of training. Learning to fly a tackle frigate well takes a lot of work, so there is plenty of challenge in that ..


Argh! Beaten to it. +1 to this advice.

Best to get into PVP when things are cheap and your new enough not to be scared about fight opportunities.
PVP first, make money second...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-21 04:34:35 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I recommend Brave Newbies and actively advise against EVE Uni (although their online lectures are good where they are not out of date; but they push players into a risk-averse, anti-dishonesty lifestyle and act like that is the only correct way to play EVE).

Give Brave Newbs a go, and if you don't fit in, you can leave them with no hard feelings.


I'm with Sabriz on the EVE uni part. Their rules etc are just...odd (my real opinion would have been redacted out anyway).


And...as I predicted...

First person to list possible corps listed E-UNI, RVB & BNI. Forum people get too predictable.P

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

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Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-03-21 04:54:56 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I recommend Brave Newbies and actively advise against EVE Uni (although their online lectures are good where they are not out of date; but they push players into a risk-averse, anti-dishonesty lifestyle and act like that is the only correct way to play EVE).

Give Brave Newbs a go, and if you don't fit in, you can leave them with no hard feelings.


I'm with Sabriz on the EVE uni part. Their rules etc are just...odd (my real opinion would have been redacted out anyway).


And...as I predicted...

First person to list possible corps listed E-UNI, RVB & BNI. Forum people get too predictable.P


Aaaaand now I read that the day after I sent in a Eve-Uni app for my pvp alt. Ugh
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2014-03-21 05:25:30 UTC
Rob Kashuken wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I recommend Brave Newbies and actively advise against EVE Uni (although their online lectures are good where they are not out of date; but they push players into a risk-averse, anti-dishonesty lifestyle and act like that is the only correct way to play EVE).

Give Brave Newbs a go, and if you don't fit in, you can leave them with no hard feelings.


I'm with Sabriz on the EVE uni part. Their rules etc are just...odd (my real opinion would have been redacted out anyway).


And...as I predicted...

First person to list possible corps listed E-UNI, RVB & BNI. Forum people get too predictable.P


Aaaaand now I read that the day after I sent in a Eve-Uni app for my pvp alt. Ugh



Join em, leave after burning as much as you can

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#15 - 2014-03-21 15:06:29 UTC
If you want FW or to hang in lowsec. Once you become one of the locals it might behoove you to take a two week training break and train the two other characters on your account (edit) to fly an epithal and research PI (Planetary Interaction). The tax rates in lowsec are generally pretty good, and you can make enough running PI to fund a decent amount of ship losses.

Just do research on what PI is profitable (Fuzzworks has a great guide on net profit). Most P2 and some P3 materials are worth making.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2014-03-22 00:50:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Join em, leave after burning as much as you can

Pillage then burn, burnt loot is worthless.

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