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Would logi save gank targets?

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Lady Areola Fappington
#21 - 2014-03-20 22:15:00 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

If someone did this, surely they wouldn't have logi on grid with them all the time? Close by, aligned and moving at full speed ready it instawarp would be how a miner would use it, no?

Your right. Many wouldn't. They just give all intel to you up front.


At that point, you'd have to actually start paying attention to EVE, and that's very difficult for the typical highsec miner.

I mean, if you're paying attention to EVE, you saw those blinky reds jump in system. That gives you time to dock up, so no need for logi!


Honestly, most "logi will save me" miners I see park the barge, park logi ships, and start the reps and leave. They tend to come back to lost barges and logi ships.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#22 - 2014-03-20 22:20:38 UTC
If you are at the keyboard and want to save someone from an in-progress gank, a shield logistics ship is not a terrible way to do it. A mining permit is cheaper (and so is an EWAR ship).

If you are AFK, expect to lose your shield logistics ship, as well as your mining ships, as well as your pods full of tasty, tasty implants.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-03-20 22:21:48 UTC
I suspect you would be better off putting all your alts in Procurers or Skiffs rather than having a few in logis not mining.

Thing is, even with logis, tanked orcas and procurers and warfare links, you are likely going to get far more profit over time mining untanked and writing off any ship attrition from ganking against the extra profits made. Just good business.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-03-20 22:30:34 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
If you are at the keyboard and want to save someone from an in-progress gank, a shield logistics ship is not a terrible way to do it. A mining permit is cheaper (and so is an EWAR ship).

If you are AFK, expect to lose your shield logistics ship, as well as your mining ships, as well as your pods full of tasty, tasty implants.



Mining permit is only useful in New Orders hunting grounds. Balle for example.

No use at all in losec.
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
#25 - 2014-03-20 22:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Get out of highsec.

what a good way to avoid being ganked......... (sic)

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-03-20 23:08:44 UTC
I would gank the logi, because that would be funnier.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-03-20 23:16:41 UTC
use ECM, can't pop what you can't hit

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#28 - 2014-03-20 23:21:22 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
use ECM, can't pop what you can't hit

A whetstone associate perhaps?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2014-03-20 23:31:20 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
You're not a very good reader, are you?


Wait... you question my physical aptitude, and now, my reading abilities? Well sir, for your information I DID leave my wallet at the gym, thank you btw, and second of all, I read semi-decently sometimes. I read a WHOLE page of National Geographic today WITHOUT glancing at the bare chested persons on the next page! That's probably more of a testament to my razor sharp focus rather than reading abilities though. I also type rather well too, if those skill come into question, as they might...my capitalization skills seems to be rather random on this response so FAR. There is goes again..wierd.

Anyways, you wanted to know IF logi could save gank targets, and im pretty sure I answered that. The question wasn't ever about the reasoning behind ganking your Hulk with logis (the hulk having logis..although ganking a hulk USING logis would admittedly be funny as hell...), or the ethics of the individuals performing the gank, or the profitability of ganking a target being repped by logistics. Yes, I WOULD sacrifice a BC to take out that Hulk, YES just for giggles, YES something something tough guy complex something (I admittedly blanked out a bit on your post, probably my sub-par reading skills..sorry about that) if that makes you feel better.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-03-20 23:41:56 UTC
You bring a friend with logi?

Ok, I bring a friend with a Griffin. About 3 mil more invested. Grats.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Xandareth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-03-20 23:54:09 UTC
Back when I did highsec mining, I fended off 4 destroyers from ganking one of my hulks by fitting shield transports to the orca which I had in a belt with me. They did get me into structure, but the orca doesn't have any bonuses to logi. So using a logi frigate would work, but it depends on how many fly in on top of you.
Also, the range on shield rep is massive. So you may as well orbit at 30km or so.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#32 - 2014-03-21 07:58:38 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
...

Chopper Rollins wrote:
Get out of highsec.

I'm not in highsec, you pubbie scrub/fellow TEST alt.


Not in high.
Mining.
Doesn't know if logi can save a barge.
Nobody in alliance can help.





Go back to highsec then.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-03-21 08:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
I would say it would be a crap-shoot - Shield Logi rep at the beginning of their cycle, Armour at the end - if your plan was to just afk them, its guess-work whether either would cycle during the gank, even if you have had the sense to stagger the reppers to give you decent coverage. Now, if you are at the keyboard, shield logi is viable, as you could activate the rep once damage starts, and get a guaranteed spike of rep exactly when you need it (even more so if you have the nerve to wait til your shield is gone and your taking armour damage)... but doing the same with armour would likely be pointless, as by the time your repper has cycled, odds are you are dead (or you activate it too early as you see them warp in, and take a boost of armour rep while you are still in shields).
Illiana Freir
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#34 - 2014-03-21 14:55:26 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.

i guess this would work. Not sure tho

However mining is not profitable enough to pay for protection. So i guess we will never know.

Not even 3 mil an hour or something equally sad?

How unfortunate.

What are these lies?
Currently I make about 20 mil/h per character mining in hi-sec... so to pay 3 mil per hour for protection in the form of a logi sounds very nice. If this service was available I would be interested in talking a bit more with the person running it at least.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#35 - 2014-03-21 15:08:40 UTC
Why would anyone keep the logi and/or ECM support on grid/uncloaked?

Rush in, rep and lockbreak, miner zips out, reships to HACS/T3s/other expensive guff

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#36 - 2014-03-21 15:23:17 UTC
Exhumers have most of the EHPs in the shields thus repping those are more efficient. Also shield reps repair at the start of the cycle and not at the end when the Exhumer already exploded. And ECM can only be used when the ganker already aggressed, so they are not very effective at saving a victim.

So a simple logi cruiser with large shield transporters can make a gank fail by multiplying the shield tank provided resistances on the victim exists and it is not a alpha fleet. No reason to be cap stable beyond 30 seconds. Then CONCORD shows up and everybody's getting pacified.
Serene Repose
#37 - 2014-03-21 16:24:29 UTC
I know you mean well. Wait. You play EvE....

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

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