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Would logi save gank targets?
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-03-20 21:30:13 UTC
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-03-20 21:33:28 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.


Seems like a really good reason to use 3 skiffs.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-03-20 21:37:35 UTC
Get out of highsec.


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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-20 21:38:28 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.

i guess this would work. Not sure tho

However mining is not profitable enough to pay for protection. So i guess we will never know.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-03-20 21:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Batelle wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.


Seems like a really good reason to use 3 skiffs.


That's more expensive and requires more skills, though. I don't enjoy mining. It appeals to my altruistic side to do some zero-effort work for low pay.

Chopper Rollins wrote:
Get out of highsec.

I'm not in highsec, you pubbie scrub/fellow TEST alt.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#6 - 2014-03-20 21:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Get out of highsec.

Nice try, lowsec gate camper.

Couple T1 logi cruisers will add 3,000+ hitpoints during 20 seconds or 5-7k hitpoints during 30 seconds. It may be enough to prevent lonely destroyer from popping your ship.
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-20 21:46:05 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.

i guess this would work. Not sure tho

However mining is not profitable enough to pay for protection. So i guess we will never know.

Not even 3 mil an hour or something equally sad?

How unfortunate.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2014-03-20 21:46:56 UTC
Depends.

Save you from Catalysts? Maybe. Depends on number of Catalysts. One or three? probably more than likely. Id personally throw a whole squad and a half at your group, and get 2 logi killmails AND your precious hulks killmail, and probably send you all sympathy mails for your losses.

Save you from Tornados? Nope. Your reps wont save you from that alpha. If I want that Hulkmail bad enough, youre getting Tornadoed.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2014-03-20 21:49:15 UTC
Alpha is rarely used for mining ganks because it just costs too much.
A medium remote shield repper is the equivalent ot about half a cheap gank destroyer or a quarter of an expensively fitted one.
A large remote shield repper is twice as effective, so ½–1 destroyer cancelled out per repper.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2014-03-20 21:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
A single Exequror fit with 3 medium remote armor repairer II will repair about 550 hp every 4.5 sec (not OH). On top of that, it could run armor maintenance bots to further increase the repair.

However, the cost of a well fit Exec is on the order of 30 million ISK.

So of you are going to run 2, that's 60 million + 2 additional characters that could be mining instead, both of which need to be on separate active accounts.

Seems like a lot of cost and effort for relatively small return. If you are going to run 3 accounts wouldn't it be better just to tank your barge and mine on all 3 accounts if mining is your thing.

3 tanked barges would still mine more than 1 with efficiency mods wouldn't they?
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-03-20 21:49:57 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Depends.

Save you from Catalysts? Maybe. Depends on number of Catalysts. One or three? probably more than likely. Id personally throw a whole squad and a half at your group, and get 2 logi killmails AND your precious hulks killmail, and probably send you all sympathy mails for your losses.

Save you from Tornados? Nope. Your reps wont save you from that alpha. If I want that Hulkmail bad enough, youre getting Tornadoed.

So you'd lose a BC or a handful of gank catas to kill about 30 minutes of work and appease your tough guy complex?

I suggest going to the gym.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-20 21:52:20 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:

I'm not in highsec, you pubbie scrub/fellow TEST alt.


Now that's proper Alliance love right there.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Lady Areola Fappington
#13 - 2014-03-20 21:54:47 UTC
Here's the thing about ganking...it's all a numbers game. If we see logi on field, and it's a juicy target, we calculate in the required DPS to overwhelm the logi. If, for one reason or another, we can't overwhelm the logi, we just pass that target on by.

This is why we say there isn't much of anything you can do, when a gank squad lands on grid with you. At that point, all the math is done, all we need to do is hit F1 and watch the fireworks.

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Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-03-20 21:57:42 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
A single Exequror fit with 3 medium remote armor repairer II will repair about 550 hp every 4.5 sec (not OH). On top of that, it could run armor maintenance bots to further increase the repair.

However, the cost of a well fit Exec is on the order of 30 million ISK.

So of you are going to run 2, that's 60 million + 2 additional characters that could be mining instead, both of which need to be on separate active accounts.

Seems like a lot of cost and effort for relatively small return. If you are going to run 3 accounts wouldn't it be better just to tank your barge and mine on all 3 accounts if mining is your thing.

3 tanked barges would still mine more than 1 with efficiency mods wouldn't they?

Are tech 2 mods and two Execs really necessary? Seems more feasible to have a T1 fit just semi-AFKing.

I was just thinking of doing it as side income while my market orders move (thank you based BNI).
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-03-20 21:59:24 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the thing about ganking...it's all a numbers game. If we see logi on field, and it's a juicy target, we calculate in the required DPS to overwhelm the logi. If, for one reason or another, we can't overwhelm the logi, we just pass that target on by.

This is why we say there isn't much of anything you can do, when a gank squad lands on grid with you. At that point, all the math is done, all we need to do is hit F1 and watch the fireworks.


I'm quite aware. I highly doubt some T1 logi would be worth an extra 10 mil, though.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2014-03-20 21:59:38 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:

So you'd lose a BC or a handful of gank catas to kill about 30 minutes of work and appease your tough guy complex?

I suggest going to the gym.


Ah, I see why you might be confused. You seem to be under the reasoning that everybody does it for profit. Some people do it for giggles. I was at the gym this morning.... why do I need to go back? Did I forget my wallet again?!?! ****.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#17 - 2014-03-20 22:01:49 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the thing about ganking...it's all a numbers game. If we see logi on field, and it's a juicy target, we calculate in the required DPS to overwhelm the logi. If, for one reason or another, we can't overwhelm the logi, we just pass that target on by.

If someone did this, surely they wouldn't have logi on grid with them all the time? Close by, aligned and moving at full speed ready it instawarp would be how a miner would use it, no?

Your right. Many wouldn't. They just give all intel to you up front.
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-03-20 22:04:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:

So you'd lose a BC or a handful of gank catas to kill about 30 minutes of work and appease your tough guy complex?

I suggest going to the gym.


Ah, I see why you might be confused. You seem to be under the reasoning that everybody does it for profit. Some people do it for giggles. I was at the gym this morning.... why do I need to go back? Did I forget my wallet again?!?! ****.

You're not a very good reader, are you?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2014-03-20 22:07:15 UTC
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.


Seems like a really good reason to use 3 skiffs.


That's more expensive and requires more skills, though. I don't enjoy mining. It appeals to my altruistic side to do some zero-effort work for low pay.


Then I would direct you to an exciting career in contract courier hauling.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-03-20 22:10:23 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I'm curious. Would a Hulk fully fitted with efficiency modules being orbited by one or two T1 logi cruisers at 500 with dual shield/armour boosters be saved from a gank, or would the alpha overpower them? It seems like an opportunity to charge miners for actual protection.


Seems like a really good reason to use 3 skiffs.


That's more expensive and requires more skills, though. I don't enjoy mining. It appeals to my altruistic side to do some zero-effort work for low pay.


Then I would direct you to an exciting career in contract courier hauling.

I was also thinking of hauling exploration salvage from NPC null in an interceptor, which is at least something approaching respectability.
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