Science & Industry

;_; Good bye low sec capital manufacturing. Without a bonused outpost for reprocessing it just won't be profitable even if I setup the infrastructure to compress the ore myself. CCP, thanks for making my cap BPO investment worthless and removing the feasibility of my business.

From a lore point of view I dont think that low sec stations should be any better/more efficient than high sec stations. Player owned stations sure, that I can understand, since they control and manipulate everything themselves. But why would a low sec npc station be any more capable than the high sec ones? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Wouldn't a nation or npc corporation invest in facilities in their CBD more, and not the ones that are in constant danger?

I think arbitrary differences in station ability that are related to security level, for the sake of balancing would be bad. Differences between stations, and between stations owned by different factions is a good idea, but I think drawing an explicit line between high and low sec, is bad and lore unfriendly. If you do this be sure to explain why, in game.

I'm guessing because you're counting all ore reprocessing skills to max compared to not even needing them leveled much now.

You could easily specialize in only certain ores and not even take near that long.

What is the point of changing it so people cant hit 100% refine? Why is this a problem or goal? Module or ship refining i sort of get but you made your own solution with the adition of extra materials to the bpo's and this just seems a copout of changing the rest of the bpos and for doing less work. Adding refinery's to all the stations is a good idea and one long overdue but i just cant get around what the hell is wrong with hitting 100% refine, Mind you i dont have all my ore specs to 5 they are all sitting at 4 and most are 16 days each. thats a lot of training there.

So really what is your problem with people hitting 100% refine, i would think after the massive amount of training time people put being able to perfectly refine somthing would be ok.

Second thing is in the past the pos mobile refinerys were **** mainly due to the fact they didnt take into account reprocessing skills? is this still true or will they finally be able to. If not they will be just as worthless as before.

Oh i also have to ask why ccp thinks there are so many tier 3 upgraded stations? Iv seen 2 in my time in nullsec in over 2 years, they take somthing like 80 billion isk if not more to upgrade to thier 3 which is a huge problem, you cant build the upgrades you have to cart them through highsec wh's then go through the archacic process of upgrading them day by day as you can only do one act per a day.

why instant compressing i have the felling the pos module should need a fair amount of time
and the rorqual should be the choice if you want fast compression

I agree with that as well.

seems like the price of Caps and super caps going to go up a **** ton. if you can only get 86% mierals back from reprocessing. thats a message isk loss compared to compressing atm

I am upset by this change. Nothing in these changes benefit the hi sec player. I enjoy playing in hi sec and already have maxed all resource processing & production tree skills. I worked hard grinding out station standings and feel I earned the 100% refine. Now I have to lose a mission running implant and get a resource processing implant just to fall short of perfect refine. I feel cheated by CCP yet again.

Welcome to the world of jump clones

I mean, you're not going to have the same set of implants for mining and missioning, right?

If you actually maxed them even though it was not required for a perfect refine, then you are now among a much smaller group of people with really good refining skills. There will be an initial demand for refiners as everyone else tries to catch up to you. You could make some isk off this. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you will still have a perfect refine while a lot of other people won't, because you aren't really competing with people that are refining in nullsec.

I don't think people understand the implications of this change. Since crunched ore will now replace 425mm railguns for transporting minerals, ore refined at high-efficiency nullsec stations can only be used to build in nullsec. Ore that comes in from nullsec will have to be refined at hisec refineries and poses anyway. People that buy tritanium in empire will be using it to build, and all that trit will have been refined in empire while people that are buying trig/mex for capital production will purchase the ore directly.

What it does affect are manufacturers, as it actually gives a small material advantage to doing certain t1 production in null. It also reduces the demand for production slots as we won't have alts doing weeklong runs of railguns.