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slackjawed

Viziam

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 75

#1 - 2011-11-29 21:07:54 UTC | Edited by: slackjawed

Dear EvE-player,

I propose a balance to the self destructing. Due to people not able to log off anymore the remaining way to grief is to self destruct.

At this moment you can self destruct and you:

Don't generate a killmail
No loot drops
Insurance is paid out.

While it makes sense that no loot drops (you do self destruct after all), it's dumb that there is no killmail provided. The insurance is something that is also questionable.

What I propose:

Generate a killmail for the last person who shot at the ship. (Damage included or not depends on technical problems I presume)
No loot drops
Pay out no insurance

This way SD is used for the primary reason it should be used: denying people your stuff. It doesn't however cover the fact that your ship was destroyed.

Also the timer should be dependant on the ships size. The timer should be that it forces people to use enough dps to be able to kill it. A reasonable timer would probably be around 5-6 minutes for a super. A pod could be lowered to 20-30 seconds.

Conclusion:
The CSM has recommended this once already, but nothing happened with it then. CCP is doing a good job fixing a lot of "issues" with the game, let's make this the next one?

This issue was alrdy raised once by Alekseyev Karrde, 20 December 2009.

The minutes it was discussed in: CSM Meeting 4.002 // Meeting Minutes: 2009/12/20 18:18

Results were:
Self Destruct should revoke insurance
Passed 7/2 (Mrs Trzzbk, Korvin)

Self-destruct should generate killmail
Passed 7/2 (TeaDaze, Song Li)

Self-destruct should "overheat" all modules
Failed 7/2 (Alekseyev Karrde, Sokratesz)

Self-destruct timer depends on ship size
Passed 8/1 (Korvin)

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 34
Jogyn Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 34	#2 - 2011-11-29 21:08:44 UTC 7 BUFF RAGNAROK AND LEVIS

Heretic Army Divine Damnation 20
Elizabeth H3ll Heretic Army Divine Damnation Likes received: 20	#3 - 2011-11-29 21:13:57 UTC 7 +1

David Magnus

Likes received: 313

#4 - 2011-11-29 21:14:09 UTC

This sounds reasonable, to be honest.
I like that a player can still prevent you from getting their fit by self destructing, but it doesn't make sense that they get insurance for blowing up their own ship.

The timer issue is also a good one - from a RP perspective even it would take a lot longer for all the crew to escape from a Supercarrier than from a cruiser.

Good idea!

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Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 22
Velonad Tyldamere Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion Likes received: 22	#5 - 2011-11-29 21:15:52 UTC 7 Supporting this.

SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 40
Reza Najafi SniggWaffe WAFFLES. Likes received: 40	#6 - 2011-11-29 21:15:58 UTC 7 +1

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 13
necrodon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 13	#7 - 2011-11-29 21:17:00 UTC 7 Jogyn is so HOT

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 46
Mik kyo Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 46	#8 - 2011-11-29 21:17:36 UTC 6 I do not believe that we should nerf the russian cowards any more, following the super nerf all they have left is there self destruct timers...

The Scope Gallente Federation 21
Euriti The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 21	#9 - 2011-11-29 21:19:04 UTC 5 Supporting this

Doomheim 189
Phoenus Doomheim Likes received: 189	#10 - 2011-11-29 22:18:59 UTC \| Edited by: Phoenus 5 +1 The fact that you get insurance from self-destructing your ship is silly. It's been an incredibly ******** concept ever since EVE was released, and with all the other changes that are happening at the moment, it's time to fix it.

Arcana Imperii Ltd. 3,740
FloppieTheBanjoClown Arcana Imperii Ltd. Likes received: 3,740	#11 - 2011-11-29 23:12:32 UTC 4 I've been saying this for a while. They've yanked insurance for concord, do the same for SD. It's logical and consistent. And killmails are a vital part of the way some people operate, especially mercenaries. Denying them killmails by blowing up your own ship is silly. It's enough to deny them loot. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Doomheim 6
Blast x Doomheim Likes received: 6	#12 - 2011-11-30 01:50:49 UTC 2 +1

FloppieTheBanjoClown

Arcana Imperii Ltd.

Likes received: 3,740

#13 - 2011-11-30 02:21:14 UTC

David Magnus wrote:

I like that a player can still prevent you from getting their fit by self destructing

I think it's silly. First off, a simple ship scanner will tell you someone's fit. It's not like it's an easily-kept secret.

Second, once your ship is destroyed, the wreckage could be sifted through and your entire build known. Just because modules can't be reused doesn't mean they are completely and utterly destroyed.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Draconis Holding Corporation 32
Slapnuts McGee Draconis Holding Corporation Likes received: 32	#14 - 2011-11-30 03:55:05 UTC 2 I didn't really mind getting owned by that nyx today. But yeah, that mechanic is dumb. Shorten the timer for normal people just trying to pod jump, and make it impossible to activate under duress.

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 26
Klausan Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 26	#15 - 2011-11-30 10:06:26 UTC 2 Supporting


Elizabeth H3ll Heretic Army Divine Damnation Likes received: 20	#16 - 2011-11-30 10:09:42 UTC 2 Slapnuts McGee wrote: I didn't really mind getting owned by that nyx today. But yeah, that mechanic is dumb. Shorten the timer for normal people just trying to pod jump, and make it impossible to activate under duress. Ill just leave this here. Nyx SD

Ministry of War Amarr Empire 249
IamBeastx Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 249	#17 - 2011-11-30 13:04:58 UTC 2 +1 self destruct needs to be brought uptodate with the rest of eve. All my life i wanted to be someone, now i know i should have been more specific.

The Scope Gallente Federation 6
notarealgirl The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 6	#18 - 2011-11-30 13:06:37 UTC 1 yh, it seems crazy that such a short time is needed to utterly rob any benefit of organising this type of kill.