EVE General Discussion

So ships have the ability to fit covops cloaks or otherwise reduce the cpu cost for cloaking devices but fitting an expanded probe launcher is hard (very hard) for many ships because?

How about a rig that let's us reduce the cpu cost of expanded launchers by say 30% and subject to stacking penalties. I still sacrifice a lot of cpu and a high slot on this - the idea is to allow more ships to solo hunt with probes than now without ramming t3 down everyones throats.

inb4 fly in a fleet with covops frigate. fly a t3. fit coprocessor. fit overclocker

all valid points but none that adequately address the issue.

By design yes but I will counter that its so prohibitively high that the ships which can fit them and still fight ie t3 are at a huge advantage over other ships not forgetting specialist ships like covops frigates.

Show me one other vessel out there that can fit a probe launcher and still achieve at least 35k tank and 300 dps?

Or you could use something like say.. a mobile depot to refit your ship while in space.

On a related note, I wish there was a separate Probe and/or launcher type specifically for Wrecks.
(to avoid it making players in low/null too vulnerable to tracking through finding the Wrecks they leave behind, as in this particular probe/launcher would be exclusive to fitting other ones at the same time.)

Would give a whole new meaning and depth to the Salvage profession.

As to your specific dilemma, iirc you can put Core Probes into an Extended Launcher. So you can still have a vessel capable of a variety of probe tasks, but it will have to be relegated to a restricted detection role, with your other ships then capitalising on the data it provides.

Furthermore I agree that T3 Cruisers are too good at the wide diversity of tasks they can perform, as well as extant game possibilities to easily refit. I understand "why" they exist, and that (atleast at this point) high cost offsets this, but something about a hull that can do just about everything better than lower tier specialised vessels rubs me the wrong way.

T3 Cruisers are too much of an omnitool, that furthermore performs any one specialised task better than a T2 specialised vessel, but also can swap between roles with relative ease and impunity.

Its too late to change that, that genie is out of the bottle, and bringing T2 hulls up to scratch in their dedicated roles to markedly outperform T3 Cruisers in those specific roles would have an enormous and mutliplicative cascade affect on T1 hulls in turn which is not desirable.

I suppose all we can hope, is that T3 hull and module costs, specifically Startegic Cruisers, remain high, and that CCP takes particular care to ensure that resource availability keeps them that way. And perhaps, even a T3 Cruiser nerf, but that will enrage a lot of "entitled" players.

Uh, considering 35kehp is typically higher than many dedicated combat fit cruisers can achieve, I don't know why you think there should be many options for a solo pwnmobile that also scans.

Also, you can online/offline mods to fit an expanded probe launcher on a ship that will still have respectable combat stats. I have two such cruisers fitted and the non kiting fit gets 29k EHP and 400+ DPS so it's certainly doable with a bit of work.

Edit: actually you should almost certainly be able to do 35k EHP and 300+ DPS with an expanded probe launcher on a vexor or a VNI

While you're at it, CCP. Take this mole off my arm and put it on my cheek!

Logic and reason in general discussion? This is heresy I tell you.

FFS, this is NOT A SOLO GAME. When are people going to get this through their heads? Sure, solo is possible, and many people do it just fine without needing to probe at all, including myself, but it's going to be difficult to solo by its very nature.

Also, when I do need to probe, I don't even use an alt, I just use my main with a Helios dedicated to probing and reship when I find a target. Sometimes I miss it, sometimes I don't. I don't expect to catch everything and I don't whine if I miss anything.

Eve is a game of Trade-offs. It is set up deliberately so that you cannot have a jack-of-all-trades ship. Sacrifices must be made, and you need to pick and choose wisely. This will not change. The T3s are the closest thing to Jack-of-all-trades ships you are going to find, and im sure they will soon taste the bitterness of Nerfbat.

That's still a disproportionately high amount of effort compared to other options. Not to mention that becoming a static entity especially with no cloak is par to suicide. I suppose I could just swap that out too.. were it not for the whole depots are scannable easily issue..