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Hmm battleship mining ... ;X
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#1 - 2014-03-20 14:19:52 UTC
Started actually as a joke on our corp channel doing some EFT tests...

here is a max yield Rokh:

[Rokh, minerokh]
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Drone Mining Augmentor I

Mining Drone II x5

- You got enough pg\cpu here to fit u a tank but I'm just testing a fittable max yield with skills at V setup.
So this baby got base yield of: 1498m3 ores \ minute
with maxed boosts: 1613m3 ores \ minute.

pros: no tank at all u start with over 43k EHP, no need for mining crystals, can target 8 rocks, cycle time is only 60 seconds.
Cons: stupid idea, managing 8 different lasers + drones, skill dependent, no ore bay need to jettison after each cycle pretty much...

now let's take the skiff (doing BS comparison after all...)...

Skeleton for max yield all skills V:

[Skiff, skheef]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

Mining Drone II x5

- plenty of fitting options.... without tank starts with something like 39k EHP
base yield without boosts: 1504m3 ores minute
with full skills V boosts: 1624m3 ores per minute

Pros: minimal gain in yield but it's mostly due to the drones.. without them less yield then the rokh. Tanky and easy to fit, Strip miners, smaller hull, bigger ore bay.
Cons: 180 sec cycle, Using crystals, only 1 target... if the rock is empty mid way you wasted time...

so according to this a Battleship can gain same yield as the mack\skiff while being a BS ofc... also takes much less time to train for and no more afk screen watching need to actually manage all the lasers and jettison stuff - > interactive mining.
Also please note this are without highwall\michi's implants which will increase the yield even more....

Let lol's commence.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#2 - 2014-03-20 14:26:26 UTC
...honestly not sure what point you're trying to make.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2014-03-20 14:30:15 UTC
well I thought mining ships should be superior to all other hulls while mining... from our in-corp joking session it seems with some skills\mods combo BS with just normal mining lasers can get around same yield of exhumer while still being BS (tanky and all the drone bay etc...)
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#4 - 2014-03-20 14:35:38 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
well I thought mining ships should be superior to all other hulls while mining... from our in-corp joking session it seems with some skills\mods combo BS with just normal mining lasers can get around same yield of exhumer while still being BS (tanky and all the drone bay etc...)

Can't be bothered to verify the yield numbers, but you've got a BS with 2+ billion in mining upgrade modules and enough CPU left for a single meta shield hardener as a tank. Have fun with that.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#5 - 2014-03-20 14:52:03 UTC
was just testing maxed out options... it is obviously not viable to fly but in theory possible...
Let's test now with my current skills fits I can use now and what stats I get....

1: Rokh
[Rokh, minerokh]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Photonic CPU Enhancer I
Photonic CPU Enhancer I

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Drone Mining Augmentor I

Mining Drone II x5

EHP: 70k
Base Yield: 1246m3 ore per minute
full boosts: 1343m3 ore per minute

2. Skiff
[Skiff, skheef]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Limited Explosive Deflection Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

Mining Drone II x5


-51k EHP
base yield: 1480m3 per minute
full boosts: 1600m3 per minute

Again we can see here that overall for same\bit cheaper isk wise and much less skills intensive to get into about same yield more or less and without implants ofc.
the downside mostly as I see it is the need with the BS to jettison pretty much every cycle and the need to split the lasers into 4 groups of 2 and make sure only 2 of them finish each time so u can jettison so u won't lose ores.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#6 - 2014-03-20 15:31:55 UTC
This used to be the standard way to mine.

The Apoc used to be the best miner in the game due to being the only ship with 8 turret hardpoints and 7 lows for mining upgrades and CPU mods.

This was back before dedicated mining ships of course.

Hell, I used to go to Yulai, put a single miner I on a badger MK II, lock the biggest veldspar roid I could find, then go to sleep. When I woke up in the morning I would SOMETIMES have a full hold worth a couple hundred thousand isk...lol

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#7 - 2014-03-20 15:36:19 UTC
*shrug* Ok, it's viable. Assuming your numbers are right, you have a ship that mines 15% slower than the worst-case Exhumer and has to be emptied every 15 seconds. Doesn't sound like my idea of fun, personally. Can you get close to that yield with a T1 Mining Barge?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#8 - 2014-03-20 15:46:44 UTC
Hmm it's very important for me to make it clear that I think that those BS mining fits are only for lols and no way I'll take them seriously while I got access to exhumers and mining barrages.

But it's kinda funny u can manage same yield more or less and now with MTU u can do active BS mining and once every 30 seconds u jettison ur ores to the mtu.... once it full u can drop second MTU maybe and then come back with indy to pick up 58k m3 of ores in much less training time I guess...

Let's check how much I get with procurer...

[Procurer, Not Skiff]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

Mining Drone II x5

- this fit is something usable with my current skills.
EHP 42k
base yield: 1445m3 \ minute
full boosts: 1561m3 \ minute
again downside is the fact u must focus on 1 rock with your entire yield so many times u actually get less then the stated above numbers due to small roids sizes.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#9 - 2014-03-20 15:52:43 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
again downside is the fact u must focus on 1 rock with your entire yield so many times u actually get less then the stated above numbers due to small roids sizes.

Survey scanner remedies that, and it's probably less work to manage than having to dump your cargo so often.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#10 - 2014-03-20 15:54:37 UTC
I don't like survey scanners much....
I think that with the huge gigantic ore pull u get with a mining ship u can just mine side to side the whole belt and call it a day.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#11 - 2014-03-20 15:54:55 UTC
Stop, stop, stop.

You won't even get one cycle completed before you have to empty your cargo hold. You're going to have to replace about 1/2 of your mining upgrades with cargo expanders, and then mine like a hulk/coveter (jet can).

It'll cut your yield at least in half, and you'll have to move ore to the can at least every 120 seconds, most likely every 60.

If you want to masturbate with sandpaper go for it. If I'm mining it's because I want to make some cash afk while I'm reading or cleaning the house.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#12 - 2014-03-20 16:05:16 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Stuff


1. don't afk mine.
2. Don't afk while mining.
3. please be at your keyboard while you do mining.

After we finished that part I'll again share that this was a joke we had on our corp chat today and while testing with EFT I was surprised with how big ore pulls u can get with Rokh (Combat Battleship!) so hence I shared a joke.

About cycle times...

you basically split the lasers in group of 2 so u got total of 5 rocks targeted...

Drones \ 2 lasers A \ 2 Lasers B \ 2 Lasers C \ 2 Lasers D

you just send the drones and ignore them to boost the process....
Activate Laser A+B and wait 30 seconds until they finish 50% cycle.
Activate lasers C+D.

Now your lasers will fill the hangar more or less every 30 seconds (in theory) where you just keep jettison after each group\drones finish a cycle.

Doable, different but not impossible.
Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#13 - 2014-03-20 16:20:36 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
I don't like survey scanners much....
I think that with the huge gigantic ore pull u get with a mining ship u can just mine side to side the whole belt and call it a day.

Survey scanner doesn't stop you from doing that, it helps you do it more quickly.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#14 - 2014-03-20 16:26:08 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations.

I guess the reason people aren't laughing along is what Last Wolf said... BS mining used to be the status quo. And even as recently as before Barge/Exhumer tiericide, I think a mining BS could get better yield than a Procurer and about equivalent to a Retriever. Since tiericide, though, there just isn't really a good reason to justify it.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-03-20 16:42:33 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations.

I guess the reason people aren't laughing along is what Last Wolf said... BS mining used to be the status quo. And even as recently as before Barge/Exhumer tiericide, I think a mining BS could get better yield than a Procurer and about equivalent to a Retriever. Since tiericide, though, there just isn't really a good reason to justify it.


only reason i can see is corp mining op and u can only field a mining bs else yeap u r right no use for them.

[Rokh, lol mining]

8x Miner II

2x Large Shield Extender II
100MN Afterburner II
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Co-Processor II
3x Mining Laser Upgrade II
Expanded Cargohold II

2x Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-20 17:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyana Starstruck
Ok I must be missing something

With all V I am getting these numbers from these fits:

Skiff

Mining laser upgrade IIx2

Adaptive inv field IIx2
Em ward amp II
Medium shield extender IIx2

Modulated strip miner II

medium core defense field extender Ix2

with 5 mining drones II

Yield is 1541 with veldspar II crystal and has 72k ehp on 234 sig

Rokh

While when i fit the fit already posted I get 83k ehp with 1315 yield with drones and all and sig of 521

Not to mention the faster align time of skiff and greater hold
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-03-20 18:15:37 UTC
My eyes are bleeding.EvilEvilEvil

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2014-03-20 18:18:52 UTC
Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#19 - 2014-03-20 18:22:30 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG.


I'm young clone here didn't basked in that glory...
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-03-20 19:45:58 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG.


Yeah. I only refit my old mining Rokh about a year ago. It used to be that the most common mining ships you'd see would be the Hulk & the Rokh. Hulk for max yield, Rokh for safety. You could not be AFK back then... Had to move ore into the jet-can almost constantly.
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