Wormholes

That's actually a great idea, if everyone's network connection and computers were equal and loaded grid instantly after transitioning to a new system. This is one of those situations where gameplay trumps common sense. (The decloak timer is there to protect people entering a system from those already in it, briefly. It has become a scouting/intelligence gathering method)

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I also linked the article to this thread to further discussion. Cheers!

Except the tengu , t3's can't put out any damage beyond 20km.
T2's can do that , so i conclude that T2 ships are overpowered in null sec and require an urgent nerf!
It is that bad that you don't see any T3 close range fighting in null sec!

nerf proteus!

The 10% bonuses to tank are all buffer. The resist bonuses are all 4% per level. +50% base resists would be hillariously overpowered.

Basic *) like this is something you should know before you comment on T3 balance. Not knowing basic *) like this is why 97% of EVE players have no business discussing balance of any kind, and especially not T3s.

*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

You hit the nail on the head there with that last. " In the end however ccp will do what ccp does and players, myself included are a terrible source for game design guidance. If you doubt that I invite you to go read features and ideas.. "

Some ideas I think are pretty well thought out with the best of intentions and others, well...... Let's just say I'm really happy that CCP don't take much notice of the ideas submitted and glad that CSM are not on any game design team either. CCP mess things up enough without the player base adding to it.

A good example is the E.S.S being able to be anchored in w-space on a wormhole and broadcasting information into the local channel..... Didn't anyone think to test that one out before release? Really?

^quoting for gross inaccuracy.

I've always thought that recons should get +1 utility slot and a bonus to probe launcher fitting just so they can actually compete in their role of recon compared to now where a t3 is almost always a better choice. Don't give them a bonus to probe strength so that covops retain their role as probing specialists and boom, recons that can actually recon.

While you can certainly do some pretty broken things with them, and those things should be curtailed, your standard T3 PvP boat isn't all that extreme when you match it up against what I think it should be matched up against. Battleships.

This is all coming from a low end WH-ler so keep that in mind. As we've been discussing for the last few weeks, there's a pretty big divide between higher and lower wh's.

For me, the biggest worry I have with the upcoming T3 balance is that I'll be losing an important tool out of my toolbelt. I'm not one to drop T3's on everythingI see, the vast majority of kills I've gotten with my T3 are things like PI runners and miners, if the T3's didn't exist those kills would be done via SB. But there are times when having that ship that can perform a beatdown while holding up well against opponents is important. Elsewhere this is usually done via BS's, Napocs, Tempests, Domi swarms, Megathrons, old school pulse Abaddons, all the fun stuff. But WH space, at least in the low end, can't throw these kinds of fleets around, the Mass Limit won't allow it.

In general you get 20 BS jumps through a low end WH, excluding C1's for the obvious reason. If you wish to go home afterwards, you need to cut that back to 10 each way. If you didn't open the WH yourself and the text is saying it isn't half mass, at worst you may only be able to get 10 jumps through it, 5 if you wish to return. If you're fighting on a WH itself the possibility of MWD'ing back through is pretty high and can nut those numbers down even more. Taking anymore than 4 BS's to a WH fight I'd be uncomfortable doing as the chance I'll end up having to park it out in HS is pretty high. That's now an asset that can't be used. There's no suitcase carrier and jump clones to get these back home easily after all.

As such, we need something that can fulfill that requirement and T3's do that currently.

Ideally I'd like them balanced to work nicely with K-Space, if that means nerfing them hard, then so be it. But after that, I'd like each sub to have an additional bonus that only works in W-Space so we can have our replacement monster ships and K space can have their balance. One that works on class of WH instead of skill level would be extra cool. We're used to ships changing depending on where you are, it'd slide nicely into our thinking.

Everyone wins...


Also if there are and CCP Devs following this, can you say hi so we know you guys are actually paying attention to W-Space and our concerns. We don't see many blue flags round these parts.

I was joking with a corp member about how silly it would be if we could bump enemies into a wormhole and they would actually be sent there...oh the fun we would have with polarization mechanics then! But it is a bad idea...a fun one but a bad one.