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Bring back the missile Inquisitor!! Or Crucifier Drone Boat.
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-20 03:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
It was nice.

Why does Amarr have 3 laser frigates anyway? There's not much point. They're all basically the same. Would be nice to have more variety in them.

I say make the Tormentor into the logi frig and give the Inquisitor its EM missile damage bonus and launcher hardpoints back!

EDIT: Adding this new Crucifier proposal here--it gives Amarr a drone frigate to go along with their new drone doctrine:

Crucifier with Drones
2 high // 3 med // 4 low
1 turret hardpoint, 1 launcher hardpoint
20mbit/sec bandwidth // 60m3 drone bay
7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
10% bonus to Drone damage and hitpoints

I moved a medium slot to low and buffed the drones to 4/12 (as opposed to 3/9 before), and I replaced one turret hardpoint with a launcher hardpoint. The reason I moved the medium slot to low was to counter with the drone buff--it reduces the EWAR output of this ship, but true to Amarrian core design philosophy, it can fit a good armor tank. Its drones are less powerful than those of the Tristan, but with its other advantages I'd say it's pretty well balanced and makes an excellent counterpart to the Tristan.

What do you guys think?

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#2 - 2014-03-20 05:22:19 UTC
No, no, no don't touch Tormentor.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2014-03-20 06:45:20 UTC
I'd vote for Punisher tbh.

Oh god.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#4 - 2014-03-20 08:51:13 UTC
Amarr should have at least one missile frig I think given how much the fighting styles have been mixed up by ccp. It would make for more complete game balance.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-03-20 09:59:15 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I'd vote for Punisher tbh.


Keep your dirty hands of the Punisher! Evil

Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-03-20 10:12:04 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I'd vote for Punisher tbh.


Keep your dirty hands of the Punisher! Evil

Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them.


Idk, even Minmatar has the Breacher.

Rise just felt it necessary for us to have all lasers and no options.

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Seliah
Moira.
Villore Accords
#7 - 2014-03-20 10:12:32 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:

Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them.


I'm pretty sure people are asking for a T1 missile frigate :)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-03-20 10:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?

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Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2014-03-20 10:50:40 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?


Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.

Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.

Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-03-20 11:29:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?


Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.

Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.

Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.


Crucifier?

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Dato Koppla
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#11 - 2014-03-20 11:30:21 UTC
I would say droneboat, having a missile boat in the Amarr frig lineup doesn't match with the current progression, there are the laser boats (Punisher, Executioner, Coercer, Maller, Omen, Harbinger, Apoc, Baddon) and then the droneboats with both missile and turret hardpoints, which are the Arbitrator, Prophecy, Dragoon and Geddon. Sadly there isn't this type of boat at the frigate level and I think it would be really nice, it could either have the neut bonus like the Geddon and Dragoon, or the tank bonus like the Prophecy, either would be a solid boat IMO.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#12 - 2014-03-20 11:39:03 UTC
I hate missiles on my Amarr!! Get rid of all missiles!

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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#13 - 2014-03-20 12:13:54 UTC
Touch the tormentor and die.
My vote's on the Punisher, its useless anyway.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-03-20 12:16:28 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?


Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.

Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.

Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.


Crucifier?


Is an Ewar vessel without any bonused drones.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#15 - 2014-03-20 12:42:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?


Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.

Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.

Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.

New frigate hull maybe, changing current ones is not a good idea. Every frig in amarr lineup right now has it uses, even weird and situational punisher has a few.

About missile damage bonus:
Gallente have no missile damage bonus hulls, why should amarr have one?

one more thing.
There is no amarr t1 hull with such bonus, so why all of a sudden there should be one?(I'm talking about Destroyers; Cruisers; Battlecruisers; Battleships)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#16 - 2014-03-20 13:13:49 UTC
Drone boat with missile hard points.

Oh god.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-03-20 13:20:31 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?


Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.

Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.

Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.

New frigate hull maybe, changing current ones is not a good idea. Every frig in amarr lineup right now has it uses, even weird and situational punisher has a few.

About missile damage bonus:
Gallente have no missile damage bonus hulls, why should amarr have one?

one more thing.
There is no amarr t1 hull with such bonus, so why all of a sudden there should be one?(I'm talking about Destroyers; Cruisers; Battlecruisers; Battleships)


Gallente get something else instead, Drones.

So, like I said before. Every other race gets a secondary weapon in their T1 frigate lineup, why shouldn't Amarr get one too?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2014-03-20 13:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Because Amarr itself doesn't need to have other weapons than lasers? That is Amarr's philosophy. Only the Khanid divert from that because of their conditions and help from Caldari's LaiDai.

Personally, I don't need missiles. I love lasers and prefer them over missiles in most cases (HAM Legion and Vengeance are exceptions, and Malediction does more DPS with Autocannons than with Rockets at similar range).

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#19 - 2014-03-20 13:30:42 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because Amarr itself doesn't need to have other weapons than lasers? That is Amarr's philosophy. Only the Khanid divert from that because of their conditions and help from Caldari's LaiDai.

Amarr has a T1 drone boat with missile hardpoints in every subcap class except frigates. The inquisitor was formerly a missile frigate, with an EM bonus iirc.

Oh god.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-03-20 13:43:47 UTC
Yes, 2 or 1 Hardpoints for the sake of variety, but not as indication of specialization. I doubt that 1 launcher hard point on a frigate is ... helpful, even in the name of variety. Roll

As far as I remember, the Missile damage ship Inquisitor was removed in favor of the logistics role primarily because of the Venture, and secondarily because it was not uses all that much. And if I skim through the last winter's Dev post about these changes, I don't see much disagreement. So why now all of a sudden? Roll

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