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Half-serious idea: Tech 1.5 ships!

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-20 03:51:08 UTC
We should have some tech 1.5 ships for the poorer pilots (or younger, for that matter) who want to fly something above tech 1! Here's some examples:

Light Stealth Bomber

4 launcher hardpoints, powergrid reduction for heavy missiles
can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device I.5 (partially decloaks while aligning to warp, making you targetable with 1/3rd sig radius)



Light Interdictor

+1 scramble strength of warp disruptors/scramblers
60% reduction in bubble anchor time



Light Command Ship

can fit 2 ganglinks
1 weapon bonus, 1 defense bonus, and 1 type ganglink bonus

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Isara Shiraishi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-20 04:02:40 UTC
Half-serious response:

What would be the actual purpose of T1.5, can you explain that to logically back up your idea?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-03-20 04:04:36 UTC
Cause I want it -or- no, not really

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-03-20 04:18:01 UTC
Don't you mean one and half serious ?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2014-03-20 04:19:58 UTC
Is this not what a Tech 1 ship with Tech 2 Fittings is?
Lyelle Wolf
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-20 04:27:18 UTC
Yea, sorry. Idea is a no go IMO. Understand the concept, reject it because it has no practical use.
Umbod Myrr
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-20 05:00:41 UTC
We just need a more complete selection of Navy and Pirate faction ships across all ship sizes.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-20 05:04:07 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Is this not what a Tech 1 ship with Tech 2 Fittings is?

No, they're tech 1.5 with tech 1.5 fittings.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#9 - 2014-03-20 05:16:42 UTC
We already have faction ships.
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#10 - 2014-03-20 05:29:52 UTC
.... Seriously? Stop making things more complicated than they need to be...

Tech 1
Tech 2
Tech 3

Easy, simple, clean.

Look @ World of Warcraft. They've completely f***ed their gearing system by adding this sort of thing (looking for raid and all the other stupid faction gearing methods) and made the raids and gearing up so ridiculously easy, I didn't step into a single raid and was top 100 geared on the realm for quite a while (I quit last August, don't panic).

Stop trying to make this game idiot friendly.... Work for your Tech 2, train all the skills you need to do big damage or support your fleet. Stop trying to make it easy. Eve is not easy and that's why it's such an amazing game.

I introduced my WoW friend to this game. He had a headache 2 hours later and hasn't played since.

I discourage running with scissors.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-20 05:52:56 UTC
Alastair Ormand wrote:
.... Seriously? Stop making things more complicated than they need to be...

Tech 1
Tech 2
Tech 3

Easy, simple, clean.

Look @ World of Warcraft. They've completely f***ed their gearing system by adding this sort of thing
WoW told everyone what gear they're supposed to wear. How does that compare to my suggestion?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#12 - 2014-03-20 06:31:37 UTC
Well, I think it's a good idea.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Prince Sanguine
#13 - 2014-03-20 06:40:09 UTC
No, if you want to fly something better you have to wait.

Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#14 - 2014-03-20 07:21:31 UTC
You know damn well this isn't F&I because I've seen you post your other **** ideas in there. How about you keep it like that?
Yang Aurilen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#15 - 2014-03-20 07:41:20 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Alastair Ormand wrote:
.... Seriously? Stop making things more complicated than they need to be...

Tech 1
Tech 2
Tech 3

Easy, simple, clean.

Look @ World of Warcraft. They've completely f***ed their gearing system by adding this sort of thing
WoW told everyone what gear they're supposed to wear. How does that compare to my suggestion?

You're roaming around FW lowsec and see an atron inside a plex named "killer of frigs". He has a negative sec status and isn't in the militia so you know he's a pirate and it's only the two of you in local. You warp into him in your standard brawling fit ab scram web frig and tackle him. He's stabbed and warps off.

In eve nothing stays the same if you're playing with other people. CCP can make a guide saying "Hey fit this X fitting it's a good PVP fit" and you'll see people farming more noobs in lowsec because they have fits specifically made to counter it.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#16 - 2014-03-20 10:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alastair Ormand
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Alastair Ormand wrote:
.... Seriously? Stop making things more complicated than they need to be...

Tech 1
Tech 2
Tech 3

Easy, simple, clean.

Look @ World of Warcraft. They've completely f***ed their gearing system by adding this sort of thing
WoW told everyone what gear they're supposed to wear. How does that compare to my suggestion?


WoW has so many different levels of gear and it's so messed up. Dungeon > RF > Normal > Heroic and now they're adding Mythic. They call it "progression", but in MoP the separation between the gear levels was out of wack and the avaliability of raid level gear without entering a raid was so great it was pointless entering a normal raid to gear up. Made **** players look competent and lead to a lot of rage when this was discovered.

Giving new players a 1.5 tech will, which I'd assume would be near to on par with Tech 2 with a smaller training time would just bring on this same scenario or just give noobs the ability to harass other players with ease or feed killmails to gankers and **** up killboards.

Adding a Tech 1.5 will just make newer players able to gear up their ships faster. Maybe even make T2 pointless. You want your T1.5? It's already here, it's called T2.

How is this a bad thing you say? Well. If you're someone who's played this game a long time and put a lot of effort into your skill training only to have this 1.5 **** come along. It would **** you off. Why have you even bothered all this time?

It would make PvP hard to balance properly also. The Warlock scenario from WoW is a good example. Undergeared Warlocks could one shot fully geared players with their Chaos bolt. A poorly balanced T1.5 could create this same scenario.

The people who put effort into their piloting skills, ship fits and skill training deserve to win out. Not have poeple a few weeks old run in and smash them down with a '1.5' noob fit of some sort.

I discourage running with scissors.
Salvos Rhoska
#17 - 2014-03-20 10:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
I consider Pirate/Faction and Navy vessels to constitute a Tech 1.5.

This for a number of obviously apparent reasons, such as the dual training requirements as well as the very interesting fitting/bonus layouts they provide at significantly less training time than bonifide T2 vessels.

Many players overlook these and are pleasantly surprised when reminded of them.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#18 - 2014-03-20 10:45:32 UTC
Serious response: Faction ships.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2014-03-20 12:03:21 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas Discussion.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#20 - 2014-03-20 12:21:26 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas Discussion.

awwww, seriously, couldn't you have just locked it?

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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