Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These are my general ideas and notes.

I am not suggesting all these ideas are implemented as that would make the ship too overpowered.

I am not suggesting these changes need to happen anytime soon, just so CCP are aware of the possibilities from our use the Rorqual.

Needed
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If you get caught by a medium to large fleet then you are popped, which is fair enough.

From experience the biggest problem for a Rorqual outside of a POS is capacitor. You can deal with getting warp scrammed or disrupted with energy neutralisers, then drones. It is when you get energy neutralised yourself that you fear since the capacitor regeneration on the Rorqual is not enough to run 2 things at the same time.

1. So double the capacitor regeneration amount. This will be very useful for pos repping, energy neuting or self rep.

2. Role Bonus for Capital industrial ship Immune to energy neutraliser and energy vampires. This will make the ship alot more survivable out side of a pos. I am NOT suggesting the Rorqual is immune to all forms of electronic warfare.

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The clone vat bay is pain to use. You need to undock, then go to the pos , turn on the clone vat bay for 10 minutes, invite 1-8 people to store clones. When the 10 minutes is up you can dock back up.

3. Remove clone vat bay 100% speed reduction. So when you turn the clone vat bay on you can still align, warp or dock or jump.

When you dock or jump the clone vat bay turns off. This would possibly also affect the titan clone vat bay.

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The Rorqual capital industrial ship has an SMA for industrial/mining ships, but for it to be used as a mining base it needs a 2nd SMA so pilots can store there combat frigs and undock a mining ship. This also gives the option for enough barges for all the clones the Rorqual can store.

4. Increase the industrial SMA to 1.5mil m3 or 2.0mil m3 so you can store 6-8 barges.

5. Add a 2nd SMA 0.5 to 1.0mil m3 for combat ships or more barges.

Useful
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6. As a Capital industrial ship there need to be enough CPU and power grid to run a small planet. There should be enough CPU and Power grid to run 2 local capital shield boosters and 1 remote shield transporter, or 1 local capital shield boosters and 2 remote shield transporter.

7. The capital industrial ship needs more fitting slots. Dreadnaughts have 12 medium and low slots Carriers have 11 medium and low slots. As a capital ship it would be nice if the capital industrial ship had 11 or 12 medium and low slots as well.

Ideally the Rorqual would get 1 new medium and/or 1 new low slot. Although not a direct comparison so maybe invalid, but an extra slot would be very useful for tank, capacitor regeneration, drone damage or cargo.

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The Industrial core on the capital industrial ship is a pain to use; because of the 10 minute timer and the only compression BPO’s can be used. I don’t have an issue with the 100% speed reduction.

8. Reduce the timer to 1 minute, and reduce the fuel use to 10%. Allow any BPO to be submitted that has all material from the Rorqual cargo bay. The output can go in the any main storage area on the ship. You don’t need to be logged in to eve when the jobs are running all the time. You only need to be logged in to eve and in the Rorqual in space with the core running to submit the jobs, and to deliver the jobs.

Nice to have
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9. Drone bay of 1000 m3. Just nice to have a capital ship with a choice of drones

10. Extra drone tracking. This would be quite nice to deal with a fast solo tackler at extreme point range.

11. More base structure armor and shield hit points. Maybe just shield.

Too Overpowered in my humble opinion
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12. Make capital industrial ship immune to all forms of electronic warfare.

13. Allow capital industrial ship to have a small POS like shield.



That's it, some of these would be nice to have on a rebalanced Rorqual that can sit outside of a pos.

Capacitor is life for the Rorqual.

cheers

This. This is the only thing preventing it's use outside of PoS-Shields.

Ofcourse, removal of mining boosts from inside of a force field would be huge nerf to the rorq, but it's also a problem if a rorq is virtually never in any danger at all.

Ideally it would be nice to actually see a rorqual out in space and not just hugging the POS shields. I don't know if 1 min for the industrial siege would be balanced though. A bit more like the dread at 5mins or maybe a balance of 4, and then just adjust the fuel cost to be the same

Yep I agree now I have thought about it, it should be a default bonus of the ship, and not a module.

My vision on the Rorqual would be a ship that can survive a small fleet, and any offence it has is geared mainly to anti tackle.

Immunity to energy neutraliser and energy vampires would go along way to enabling this, while still allowing the tackle to be made initially at least.

You're trying to suggest a major buff for a role the Rorq was never intended for, where there are other capitals tailor-made for this - Carriers (Triage and not)

As for the immunity to neuts, that's just laughable. The most important asset a capital has is its capacitor. If there is no way to attack this asset, the capital automatically becomes that much more powerful.



I don't know whether this is a bug or an oversight, but despite what most people seem to think, you can indeed dock while the Clone Vat Bay is active, so you can use it on stations. You just can't go anywhere while it's active.



If you want non-industrial ships, bring a Carrier. The Rorq, or any ship in Eve for that matter, was ever intended to be an all-in-one.



The Rorq already has 16 (*sixteen*) slots - 6H, 7M, 3L. This is already in-line with existing capitals.



At this point, it sounds like you want to buff the Rorq so much that using it is merely a formality. You want it to be immune to what can hurt it most (neuts), buff it to comprise more HP than a carrier, make it so that things that might hold you in place no longer do (clone vat, industrial siege) and make it be able to house combat ships and rep like a carrier.

I think you overreached so much with your suggestions that anything further from you will be pretty suspect.

Exactly, if anything the Rorqual needs a nerf.

I strongly suggest you learn to read.



I never suggested "More HP than a carrier". I just "more". You added "than a carrier" just to troll.

I never suggested it would "rep like a carrier", I said it should be able to fit 2 capital remote shield transfers. I never said it could use them all the time, nor would it have any bonuses to the amount of shield transferred.

as for combat ships yes a small 2nd SMA so people can dock up a combat ship frig/destroyer and undock something to help the mining operation would be very useful. after the mining operation they can reship back to their combat ship.

And these ideas are really for when the Rorqual will eventually have to be able to survive in a belt.
If no idea is taken then fair enough.

What? Why? We're trying to give the rorq a chance of use outside the pos. Why does it need a nerf if it isn't overpowered in any aspect?
That would be ok and all, if this ship wasnt intended to be the hub of operations for its fleet. And never , ever use the "get pvp support" excuse. I don't know how many times people have had to say it: it almost never happens and nothing is going to change that. Theres supposedly a reason why they gave the orca and rorq drone damage bonuses and shield repair range. The rorq is supposed to be that support that barges need.

Ha Ha HA miners needing combat support? Why would anyone do that when you can make nearly 3 times as much isk grinding anoms than a maxed miner can make mining.

Unprepared to fly the Rorq may be true. I haven't spent much time in caps. Their roles are very restricted and I rarely have use for the ones I have.